Brandon Jennings nach Europa


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Ohne mich hier wirklich mit beschäftigt zu haben, aber nur weil man an einer bestimmten UNI nicht die erforderliche Punktzahl erreicht ist man nicht automatisch ein Volldepp. Die Anforderungen um für NCAA Basketball zugelassen zu werden sind in der Tat ziemlich niedrig angesetzt, die Unis selbst haben aber da teilweise ganz andere Standards und wer die nicht erfüllt muss sich anderswo umschauen.

Die Testfragen sind ein Witz und für (Ausnahme)-Basketballer gelten wohl kaum dieselben strengen Aufnahmestandards wie für reguläre Studenten. Da heißt es wahrscheinlich: Zähl mal bis 10, schreib deinen Namen und schon ist er drin. Zumal er sowieso nicht vor hatte irgendeinen Abschluß zu machen.
 

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Wie gut ist denn Jennings im Vergleich zu anderen Talenten? (z.B. Ricky Rubio, der hier im Thread schon genannt wurde). Ich kenne den Spieler bis jetzt noch gar nicht und kann mir deshalb kein Bild machen.

Denn darauf kommt es ja an. Ist er wirklich gut genug oder nur ein Spieler der in Europa und auch in der NCAA nix reißen würde?
 

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und für (Ausnahme)-Basketballer gelten wohl kaum dieselben strengen Aufnahmestandards wie für reguläre Studenten.

gelten sie doch ... Mit ein Grund warum nicht wenige hochtalentierte High School Recruits zu kleineren Unis gehen, wo dann geringere Anforderungen gelten als z.b. in Arizona, Stanford oder gar Duke . Hört sich ja schön an als markiger Spruch, aber gar so einfach ists dann doch nicht.
Auch werden gerade an diesen Schulen die Standards durchgesetzt, siehe ein Brook Lopez.

@ schmoove : In der NCAA wäre er sicher jemand der ein vergleichbares Jahr hinlegen könnte wie z.b. ein Bayless oder Gordon in der letzten Saison, galt als To3 Recruit. Wie das in Europa aussieht ist für mich völlig unvorhersehbar, gibt ja auch schlicht keine Erfahrungswerte. Ein Rubio ist da auch ein schlechtes Beispiel, spielt schlißlich jetzt schon einige Jahre als Profi und wurde langsam herangeführt.
Vom NBA Talent her ist Jennings sicher nicht schlechter als oben genannte einzuschätzen zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt.

Vieles wird davon abhängen ob sein Agent seinen Job macht und ihn in einer guten Situation unterbringt. Nach Möglichkeit ein Team das finanziell stabil dasteht, sportlich irgendwo im oberen Mittelfeld der jeweiligen Liga steht, nach Möglichkeit einen amerikanischen Coach hat, ein amerikanischer Veteran wäre ebensowenig verkehrt wie eventuell eine eher offene/schnelle Spielweise.
Einfach mal abwarten.
 

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Ich glaube, Brandon Jennings tut sich mit dem Wechsel nach Europa keinen Gefallen und noch glaube ich auch nicht richtig daran. Er wird bei keinem Top-Team starten dürfen und für 20 min. pro Spiel lohnt sich die Aktion wirklich nicht. Gerade junge PGs müssen spielen, und wenn er einen Qualifying Score hat und AZ ihn nicht will, gibt es noch zig andere gute Schulen, bei denen er unterkommen könnte.
 

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Brandon Jennings hat bei Virtus Rom unterschrieben. Die sind in einer Euroleague-Gruppe mit Alba Berlin.
Coach: Jasmin Respesa, also ob man sich im Jennings-Camp da nicht falsche Vorstellungen über Respesa macht. Harter Hund... Hätte doch eher einen US-Coach vermutet. Aber mutig, Respekt. Sani Becirovic wird sein Backcourt-Partner.

http://www.virtusroma.it/internal.asp?cat_id=11&art_id=2373
 

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Mich wundert ein bisschen dass er gleich für drei Jahre unterschrieben hat. Aber ich nehme mal an er hat eine "Draft-Klausel" im Vertrag.

Ich habe da wirklich sehr gemischte Gefühle. Auf der einen Seite würde ich ihm den Erfolg gönnen, auf der anderen Seite will ich als NCAA-Fan nicht, dass sein Beispiel Schule macht. Kaum auszudenken, wenn in ein paar Jahren dann die Top-US-Highschool-Spieler dutzendweise nach Europa gehen. Allerdings denke ich schon, dass Jennings sich durchsetzen wird. Technisch ist er jedem europäischen Guard seiner Altersklasse meilenweit überlegen (mit Ausnahme vielleicht von Rubio), also sollte er daran nicht scheitern.
 
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Mich wundert ein bisschen dass er gleich für drei Jahre unterschrieben hat. Aber ich nehme mal an er hat eine "Draft-Klausel" im Vertrag.

Laut vereinshomepage hat er die (http://www.virtusroma.it/internal.asp?cat_id=11&art_id=2373)

irgendwo meine ich auch gelesen zu haben dass es genau die 500000 Dollar sind die ein NBA Club zahlen darf, aber das kann ich jetzt definitiv nicht belegen ;)

Naja, mit dem Vertragswerk sind für beide Seiten die Eventualitäten abgesichert. Ist er wie geplant one and done, bekommt Rom nach dem Jahr quasi das Gehalt zurückbezahlt anstatt bei einem 1 Jahres Vertrag leer auszugehen. Gibt es auf der anderen Seite aus irgendeinem Grund Probleme bei Jennings und seinem Draftstock, z.b. eine Verletzung, hat er den Notplan und braucht nicht neu zu suchen.
 

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Am Mittwoch gibt es in der Euroleague das Duell Jennings gegen Rubio. Wobei der Spanier gerade erst von einer längeren Verletzung zurück kommt. Aber ein paar Minuten spielen wird er wohl.
Hier noch Jennings' Stats aus der italienischen Liga: 5.8 PPG/ 2.8 APG

Hier noch ein paar Auszüge von draftexpress zu Pargo und Childress in Europa:

Just like Childress, Pargo’s success or failure will be studied closely by NBA players weighing similarly large offers from European teams, as well as by the teams themselves, who will have to think long and hard of the risk/reward of spending huge sums of money to bring over important NBA players.

So far--ten games in--he seems to be faring pretty well, averaging just under 14 points in 26 minutes per game as the team’s starting point guard. He’s shooting 44% from the field, 40% from beyond the arc and 86% from the free throw line, dishing out 4.7 assists compared to 2.5 turnovers—while establishing himself as the team’s clear-cut go-to guy.

Anyone that watched the New Orleans Hornets’ series against the Dallas Mavericks in last year’s NBA Playoffs knows what a complete offensive weapon Pargo has become.

He is a smart, skilled, silky smooth and incredibly potent combo guard, capable of making shots from anywhere on the court, often by stopping on a dime and creating great separation from his defender with his terrific pull-up jumper. His ball-handling skills are befitting of his upbringing on the streets of Chicago, and he gives European defenders fits with his ability to juke, fake, change speeds and get his shot off at will.

He runs the pick and roll wonderfully, playing the game at his own speed and being equally effective with the drive and dish as he is turning the corner. When allowed to set his feet from beyond the arc he rarely misses, while he always gives a good effort on the defensive end as well—being as competitive and intense as you would likely expect considering the underdog nature of his basketball career.

With that said, not everything has gone smoothly in Pargo’s transition to Europe thus far, as we were often able to see in the three games we took in while in Moscow. Shot-selection has always been an issue for Pargo throughout his career, and this has been a problem here as well at times, as evidenced by his somewhat pedestrian shooting percentages inside the arc. Pargo rarely gets all the way to the basket, getting to the free throw line just under three times per game on the season thus far. He at times has a tendency to go off on his own and freeze out his teammates, which just doesn’t fly in Europe the way it might in the NBA regular season. He’s not a selfish player, but his mentality is clearly that of a scorer’s, which the coaching staff is still working out how to take full advantage of without disrupting the flow of the offense.

Without the restrictions of the Russian rule (which forces teams to have two Russian players on the court at all times), Pargo might be able to see more time off the ball alongside Hollis Price. But because of the makeup of the roster, that isn’t always possible at the moment.


The Childress experiment has been fascinating to say the least so far. Can an important NBA player adjust himself to European basketball and justify a ridiculous salary, and will additional NBA players follow him over in the future?

So far, it seems way too early to judge still.

Olimpiacos’ head coach Giannakis was not kidding he said “we did not bring Josh here to score 40, 30 or 50 points,” as he told ESPN after he landed. In fact, Childress is not even scoring 20, or even 10 points per game in the Euroleague—he’s at 9.8 points in 27 minutes per game, which is the lowest scoring output he’s produced since his freshman year at Stanford. His field goal percentage is also at a career low thus far (since college at least), and he’s shooting an incredibly poor percentage from the free throw line (53%) and 3-point range (14%) as well.

Needless to say, high-level European basketball requires quite a bit of adjusting to, even for an incredibly smart and versatile talent like Childress.

Need more evidence? Childress is so far turning the ball over on 1/4th of his possessions, far more than he’s ever averaged in his career (last season 16%, the year before 14%). Clearly he’s having a hard time with the incredibly crowded paint that European basketball is known for, and possibly his role on the team or the expectations, and he’s getting very few calls from stingy refs to help him with that transition.

Olympiacos’ style of play probably isn’t helping him, as they play a slow and ugly grind it out style based around pounding the ball inside incessantly to their bigs, high/low lobs between their power forwards and centers, and running pick and roll after pick and roll with the rapidly declining Theodoros Papaloukas (about a step and a half slower than he was two years ago) trying to create mismatches leading to drop-offs to their stable of mammoth big men.

It’s hard to fault them, as they have arguably the best combination of centers in European basketball between Nikola Vujcic, Boroussis and Schortsanitis, and are capable of fouling out an entire frontcourt with the heavy artillery they bring. The problem is that they become pretty predictable eventually and very susceptible to getting beat in transition. This is probably the slowest pace Childress has played at in his career, and it obviously doesn’t suit his strengths, particularly playing next to Papaloukas, a poor perimeter shooter as well, which allows defenses to sag in even more than usual. Where would they be without scoring machine and lightning in a bottle Lynn Greer (simply outstanding as a shooter/scorer) is anyone’s guess.

Offensively, most of Childress’ production comes in transition and off quick left-handed drives off isolation plays in the half-court, as well as some garbage baskets thanks to his hustle and smarts. His athleticism stands out in an incredible way at this level, resulting in highlight-reel caliber finishes every time he steps out on the court. Despite his poor assist to turnover ratio, Childress is clearly not a selfish player, doing his absolute best to fit in with his teammates, who seem to really enjoy playing with him based off what we could see in person and in the extensive game-film we took in.

The biggest problem Childress has faced is with his shooting stroke, which has looked very poor thus far. His mechanics have always been about as awkward as you’ll find (think of a cross between Shawn Marion and Kevin Martin), but in the NBA he made shots at an outstanding rate both from the field (57% FG in 07-08—outrageous for a swingman) and beyond the arc (a respectable 37% on limited attempts in 07-08).

Even in college he made 1.5 3-pointers per game as both a sophomore and junior, but that just hasn’t been the case at all in Greece, though, which is surprising considering that the European 3-point line is substantially closer than in the NBA. NBA players faced the same exact problem in International play competing with Team USA, so it’s a bit disappointing that the first great export the NBA sends the Euroleague ends up getting tagged with the dreaded “American athlete who can’t shoot” label.

In this particular game, Childress definitely silenced the crowd, pulling up off the dribble for a clutch jumper from 18-feet with 48 seconds left in regulation to put Olympiacos up by two points, which surely will help silence his growing number of critics, for at least another week.

After all, there is a reason why Childress is leading this team in minutes played, and not really by a small margin. He’s clearly their best defender, showing great size for the wing position, outstanding length, and terrific lateral quickness. He’s also exceptionally smart, tough and crafty, doing a great job contesting shots and playing with a very high level of focus and intensity—which Coach Giannakis obviously loves. He’s also rebounding the ball extremely well, actually ranking second besides the super productive Yiannis Bouroussis (who by the way is averaging an ungodly 25.5 points and 17 rebounds per game on 59% shooting per-40 minutes, and is an NBA player all day long like we’ve been screaming from the hills about for years now).

As Childress continues to learn the European game, he’ll very likely become a more productive and efficient player. This is a totally new brand of basketball he’s learning, and for some players it takes years to fully master. There is a reason after all why the “ex-NBA” tag doesn’t hold anywhere near the same appeal it used to in high-level Europe a few years ago—and Childress obviously isn’t helping with that.

The reason Olympiacos can “afford” to let Childress be a role-player, and take his time figuring things out, despite being far and away the highest paid player in Europe, is because of the quality they sport throughout their roster. A look through the distribution of minutes between the two teams’ rotations playing tonight gives us a great deal of insight into the difference between the “haves” and the “have-nots” of European basketball. Olympiacos ended up using 12 players in this game, while Le Mans used 8. On the season, Olympiacos has 10 players who are averaging anywhere from 13 ½ to 27 minutes per game at most, while Le Mans has just 7 key players, averaging between 19.4 and 38.4 minutes.

The advantages are pretty obvious. One team can afford to have its players give 120% on every possession, particularly on the defensive end, with no regard whatsoever for foul trouble or anything of that nature. The other can be systematically whittled down over the course of a game by fatigue and the whistles of the referees, to the point that they really can’t offer any resistance at all at the end of a game due to their severe lack of depth. That particularly rings true when both of your point guards foul out in overtime, like what happened here… When you are going up a veteran coach like Panagiotis Giannakis who knows how to put the proper pressure needed to influence the officials to call the game the way he wants them to, it puts another huge hurdle in front of a team with a budget 1/20th the size—just another thing they need to deal with, in this very biased and wholly subjective observer’s mind at least.

Marcus Williams hat sich zu Jennings geäußert:

Marcus Williams of the Warriors is very close friends with Brandon Jennings, who decided not to play for Arizona in order to head to Roma in Italy's professional league.

"It's been back and forth with him," said Williams. "He said he's been doing good, then he said the coach hasn't been playing him, he's been getting frustrated. Then he'll turn around and say he played a good game. He's doing fine. But he said the league is just a lot different. It's real physical, sort of slower than what he's accustomed to. To me, that (a physical style), is not his real strength, so I think he's really working on his game being over there, and I think he can only get better."

Williams was asked if he sensed that Jennings regretted the decision.

"I don't think so. He told me he looks at it like a great experience and a great opportunity for him to do something that no one else has done. With his personality, he's like a different guy anyway."
 
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Auch wenn es ne Riesen Umstellung ist. So einen dramatischen Einbruch bei den FG % hätte ich nicht erwartet. Mal sehen wie lange es da team-intern ruhig bleibt angesichts Childress' Gehalt.
 

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Auf Draftexpress ist ein Artikel über Jennings erschienen:

One year ago we got the chance to see Jennings practice, scrimmage and play in the week leading up to the Jordan Brand Classic in New York. A few months prior to that, we saw him lead his Oak Hill squad to victory in the Hoophall Classic in Springfield. Comparing the Brandon Jennings we saw then with what we’re seeing now might make you rub your eyes in disbelief.

Gone is the brash, arrogant teenager with the Kid ’N Play style flat-top who dominated the ball in absolute fashion and looked first and foremost for his own shot, his stats and the ultimate high-light play. In his place is a much more mature, respectful young man, always cheering on his teammates, showing great body language and painstakingly trying to do what his coaches ask of him, almost to a fault at times.

In the second quarter, Jennings comes up with a steal and has a three on two transition opportunity. Not seeing the angle he was looking for, he pulls the ball out, waits for his teammates to run down the floor and calls a play, to the shock of everyone in attendance who had watched him play in America. “The Brandon Jennings of old would have never passed up that opportunity” the Director of Player Personnel sitting next to us points out while nodding his head. “Gotta limit those turnovers” Jennings explains to us afterwards. “My job is to be a pass-first point guard.”

That’s not to say that everything is all rosy at this point with Jennings’ game—he still has a significant amount of work to do on his decision making skills and shot-selection before he can be considered an efficient point guard. While it’s obviously not fair to compare his stats as a rookie in the Euroleague and Italian league with that of his NCAA counterparts, the fact that he’s shooting just 38% from the field on the season can’t be viewed as a positive.

Perimeter shooting is the area that Jennings needs to work the most on if he’s to come anywhere close to reaching his full potential as a scorer—he’s made just 22 of 99 attempts from beyond the arc in 43 games in both the Euroleague and Italian league this season, or 22%.

Jennings has a tendency to contort his body and fade away excessively on many of his attempts—something he’s been working on extensively with Bosnian assistant Nenad Trajkovic, who was hired after Nando Gentile replaced former head coach Jasmin Repesa in December. Trajkovic worked for many years as an assistant and head coach with Serbian powerhouse Partizan Belgrade, widely considered the best team in European basketball in everything revolving around developing young players.

After every practice, Jennings works with Trajkovic on his shooting, getting up as many as 500 jumpers. He credits Trajkovic with helping him improve his mechanics significantly (“going straight up and straight down, extending my arm, not fading away too much anymore, keeping on balance, not turning my hips a lot” Jennings explains), and indeed his shot looked much better than advertised in the three practices we observed, although he still has plenty of room to continue to improve, particularly with his pull-up jumper.

All the bumping and hand-checking he’s been learning to deal with all season long from European defenders might make life a lot easier for him once he reaches the NBA, where everything is much more open thanks to the defensive 3-second rules and much tighter officiating on the perimeter.

Defensively, Jennings has made great strides since he first got to Rome—it’s not rare to see him come up with some excellent possessions on this end of the floor each and every game—but he still has a ways to go here as well. His long arms, excellent quickness and outstanding hands make him a terror in the passing lanes for example—he ranks second in the Italian league in steals per-40 pace adjusted, but he also has a tendency to reach excessively and try to pick players’ pockets from behind.

He’s learning how to use his body and speed better to stop the ball, but older, more experienced point guards are able to take advantage of his over-exuberance and lack of strength at times, lulling him to sleep and then blowing right by him.
 

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sehr guter Artikel (mal wieder) von jon, diese Feature-Artikel sitzen bei den Herren von Draftexpress meistens wirklich ziemlich gut.
Beschreibt die Situation ziemlich gut und ausführlich, vor allem nicht einseitig.
 

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Fazit in der US-Presse zum Brandon-Jennings-Experiment:

" Brandon Jennings makes Sonny Vaccaro look smart"

Brandon Jennings was experiment subject #1, and endured a lot of criticism for his poor play in Europe last year. Jennings himself has gone to some trouble to express how difficult a year it was, not getting on the court much in Italy. He was drafted tenth overall, after leaving high school a year earlier as one of the top three names in his class.

Jennings is looking mighty good in the NBA, however. If, instead of Rookie of the Year they handed out hardware for Rookie of the Week, Jennings would have a new trophy on his way. (His two-game PER, not that it much matters, is 21.2).

Jennings got a chance to play and improve, not to mention a serious ego check. Although he didn't put up great numbers in Rome, his learnings from playing there enabled him to be among the league's readiest rookies, even though he never played one collegiate game.

That, clearly, will be food for thought for other youngsters who contemplate the same decision. In fact, it eventually could undermine the NBA's efforts to raise the age minimum from 19 to 20 years old


Und noch ein Interviewausschnitt mit Jennings zu seiner Zeit in Rom:

SN: You have not seemed to be intimidated by the speed of the game, which is a problem for a lot of young guys. Why is that?

BJ: I am a little more used to it. The year in Europe helped my development with that. I was straight out of high school when I went over there, and to start, I was going 100 m.p.h. every day. But, learning how they play, the slower pace and learning how to use my quickness within that, that helped my game a lot. Playing in Europe, in the league I was in, it was war. You can grab, hold and do all that stuff. So I have come out here and I am used to that style.

SN: That’s something most people don’t know about Europe—it is more physical than the NBA.

BJ: There’s definitely more physical play there than here. There’s more rules against being physical here than there are in Europe.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/Th...ings_the_year_in_europe_helped_my_development
 
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