Detroit Pistons 23-24 Saison Thread - Monty's Madness

[Joe Berry]

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Das Ende für Troy Weaver!? In jedem Fall der Anfang einer Offseason mit jeder Menge Veränderungen für Detroit. Ich sags mal so, schlechter kann es nicht mehr werden.

 

[Joe Berry]

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Great, just great.

 

[nbatibo]

Man will uns klein halten…



Hab’s aber im Draft-Thread geschrieben, dürfte kaum ein Jahr geben, in dem es so egal ist, wann man pickt - tendiere weiter zu einem Trade für eine einigermaßen sinnvolle Soforthilfe mit Erfahrung…

 

[Joe Berry]

Naja ob der 5. Pick in diesem Draft überhaupt Tradevalue hat? Und was bekommt man dafür? Fürs Traden braucht man immer 2, ist ein Deni Avdija drin? Sowas in der Richtung? Schau mer mal.

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5. Detroit Pistons​

Matas Buzelis
G League Ignite
SF/PF
Age: 19.5

The Pistons are the NBA's worst 3-point shooting team and among the league's worst defenses, meaning they could be attracted to the combination of perimeter shooting, explosiveness, defensive versatility and youth Buzelis offers. He made 45% of his 3-pointers as a high school senior, but saw that number drop significantly with G League Ignite. Buzelis looks like a strong fit positionally with the rest of Detroit's core and is the type of player who doesn't need plays called for him, but still has significant upside to grow into. -- Givony

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Detroit Pistons

Matas Buzelis​

G League Ignite, United States​

Point Forward

Height 6'11" Weight 195

Age 19.7 Wingspan



Detroit Pistons
It’s not the end of the world that the Pistons fell all the way down to fifth (although it may feel like that for Detroit fans). Buzelis may end up being the best player in the class, and he could be available here. He’d add a ton of versatility alongside Ausar Thompson and Jalen Duren. And if his offense keeps progressing, he could become a great running mate for Cade Cunningham.

Connective playmaker with size, shooting, and the ability to play anywhere on the floor.

Shades Of

Lamar Odom

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PLUSES

• Versatile offensive player who can be used in any scheme because of his high feel as a passer. He isn’t a savant playmaker who will lead an offense, per se, but he’s the type of player who could thrive in a two-man game with other like-minded players.
• Boasts upside as a shooter. He’s fluid dribbling into his stepback from both midrange and 3, and he loves utilizing shimmies and ball fakes to create space from midrange. He shot far better from 3 as a high school senior than he has with the Ignite.
• Displays soft touch on in-between shots like hooks from the post or floaters. If a defender tries to take a charge, he can stop his dribble on a dime and just flip the ball up.
• Savvy player without the ball who communicates with teammates to help the offense flow and always looks for chances to cut. In a motion system, he’d thrive in dribble handoffs either as the person receiving or delivering the ball.
• Great transition player. He runs the floor hard, making himself available for kickouts. And since he can handle the ball himself, he’s always a threat to take it coast-to-coast or make a play off a rebound.
• Good team defender with a high motor and feel for off-ball help. He frequently logs weakside and chasedown blocks, in addition to altering shots.

MINUSES

• Who is he really as a shooter? Buzelis was a streaky shooter until his final high school season, when he made 43.1 percent of his 3s, hitting a variety of shots off movement with smooth mechanics and a high release. But he’s back below 30 percent during the G League season.
• Loosey-goosey ball handler who has a negative assist-to-turnover ratio largely because he often gets stripped or dribbles into trouble. Even if he's not a primary playmaker who runs a heavy dose of pick-and-rolls, he needs to improve his handle.
• Finishing at the rim needs a lot of work. He shies away from his off hand, he struggles against contact, and he isn’t explosive without space to launch. There are times when he tries turning the corner on drives but he can’t dislodge his defender when driving due a lack of muscle.
• Subpar defender containing dribble penetration. He isn’t switchable against quicker players and he has a hard time fighting through screens.
• Needs to get significantly stronger, but he has a lanky frame. How much weight can he actually put on?

Zufälligerweise ist Buzelis Agent der Sohn von Arn Tellem.

 

[Mahoney_jr]

Man will uns klein halten…

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Hab’s aber im Draft-Thread geschrieben, dürfte kaum ein Jahr geben, in dem es so egal ist, wann man pickt - tendiere weiter zu einem Trade für eine einigermaßen sinnvolle Soforthilfe mit Erfahrung…

Seht's positiv. 3-4 Mios mehr Cap Space

 

[Joe Berry]

Part of the hold up, league sources say, is that Detroit appears interested in making a run at Minnesota Timberwolves head executive Tim Connelly, whose team is in the midst of a second-round playoff matchup with Connelly’s former team, the defending-champion Denver Nuggets.

Whether or not Connelly returns to the Timberwolves, league sources say he is likely to opt out of the final year of his contract. It seems likely that Connelly will return to Minnesota, but if Pistons owner Tom Gores is willing to offer something like $15 million annually, that could be enough to pry him away.

The Pistons were denied permission to interview Milwaukee’s Jon Horst last week, league and team sources tell The Athletic. It is possible that the Bucks were posturing to get assets from Detroit in order to take Horst, who signed a multi-year deal with Milwaukee in 2021. However, the Pistons have decided to move on to other candidates.

New Orleans’ Trajan Langdon, Dallas’ Dennis Lindsey and Chicago’s Marc Eversley, among others, have established themselves as viable targets for the role, league sources tell The Athletic.

Langdon was a scout for the San Antonio Spurs from 2012-15 before becoming the assistant general manager of the Brooklyn Nets in 2016. He held that role through 2019 until he became the general manager of the New Orleans Pelicans, where he has helped build the Pelicans into one of the more intriguing young teams.

Lindsey is currently in an advisory role with the Dallas Mavericks. He held several roles with the Utah Jazz from 2012 to 2021, including general manager and executive vice president of basketball operations.

Eversley, the general manager of the Chicago Bulls, was on the Pistons’ radar in 2020 before they hired general manager Troy Weaver. Eversley has worked in NBA front offices for over 15 years, including stops in Toronto, Washington and Philadelphia before Chicago.

Wenn Gores Connelly mit Geld überschüttet, gibt es vielleicht ne kleine Chance auf einen der besten GMs der Liga wenn Minnesota knausert... Lindsey und Eversley sind jetzt weniger sexy Namen, dann lieber Langdon.

Seht's positiv. 3-4 Mios mehr Cap Space
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Der 5. Pick könnte in diesem komischen Draft ohne Tier 1 & 2 Spieler und quasi 7-8 Tier 3 Spielern vielleicht sogar mehr Value haben als Pick 2. oder 3. Wie im Draft Thread schon geschrieben, dieses Jahr ist es wirklich kein Drama an 5. gefallen zu sein, einer von Risacher oder Buzelis sollte an 5 zu haben sein, das passt von Fit her wenn man den Pick behält.

Could the No. 5 pick be more valuable than originally thought?​

The Pistons dropped as far as possible in one of the weaker draft classes in recent memory. However, because of the jumble of prospects at the top, could the No. 5 pick be a little more valuable than originally thought?

In talking to people around the league prior to the NBA Lottery, it was believed that the No. 5 pick in this draft would be equivalent to the ninth through 12th pick in a normal class. While that feels right, it should be noted that because there aren’t clear-cut prospect tiers this time around, teams could covet the fifth pick over, say, the second or third pick. Of course, that is working under the assumption that there will be a few teams with interest in moving up. In talking to people around the league after the Pistons’ fate was revealed, a few of them said they could see the No. 5 pick being decently valued if teams do, in fact, like a prospect or two enough to move up.

Let me explain.

There is a world where front office and evaluators see the prospects expected to go in the top five or seven all in the same tier or with very little separation. The difference in rookie pay between the No. 1 and No. 2 picks vs. the No. 5 pick is pretty significant. For example, 2023 No. 1 pick Victor Wembanyama will make between $12 million and $16 million annually for the remainder of his rookie deal. No. 2 pick Scoot Henderson made $9.7 million his first year and will make between $10 and $13 million yearly from next season on. Ausar Thompson, who the Pistons took at No. 5 in 2023, made $7.9 million this past season and will make between $8.3 million and $11.1 million annually during the duration of his rookie deal. So, there is a difference of a few million dollars when examining the difference in rookie contracts based on where they’re picked.

It wouldn’t be far-fetched to think that a team that wants to move up believes it could get the best player in the 2024 NBA Draft at No. 5 instead of at No. 2 or No. 3 — and maybe even No. 1 — while saving money in the process.

 

[Mahoney_jr]

Wenn Gores Connelly mit Geld überschüttet, gibt es vielleicht ne kleine Chance auf einen der besten GMs der Liga wenn Minnesota knausert... Lindsey und Eversley sind jetzt weniger sexy Namen, dann lieber Langdon.



Der 5. Pick könnte in diesem komischen Draft ohne Tier 1 & 2 Spieler und quasi 7-8 Tier 3 Spielern vielleicht sogar mehr Value haben als Pick 2. oder 3.

Sehe ich auch so. Wenn jemand einen Need hat und die Position mit genügend Value + Upside für 7 Mios Gehalt besetzt bekommen möchte, dann hat euer Pick vielleicht sogar mehr Wert als einer der darüber.

Aber wahrscheinlich nur ein schwacher Trost. Keine Ahnung wie die GMs das sehen. Die sind generell wohl sehr pessimistisch bei diesem Draft und dementsprechend bleibt ihr wahrscheinlich am Ende auf dem Pick sitzen, weil ihr euch mehr Gegenwert erhofft, als jemand bereit ist zu bezahlen.

 

[Joe Berry]

Sehe ich auch so. Wenn jemand einen Need hat und die Position mit genügend Value + Upside für 7 Mios Gehalt besetzt bekommen möchte, dann hat euer Pick vielleicht sogar mehr Wert als einer der darüber.

Aber wahrscheinlich nur ein schwacher Trost. Keine Ahnung wie die GMs das sehen. Die sind generell wohl sehr pessimistisch bei diesem Draft und dementsprechend bleibt ihr wahrscheinlich am Ende auf dem Pick sitzen, weil ihr euch mehr Gegenwert erhofft, als jemand bereit ist zu bezahlen.

Ich kann mir auch nicht vorstellen, dass es viel Nachfrage danach gibt hochzutraden und wenn dann dürfte der Gegenwert in diesem Draft überschaubar sein. Zumal die Picks von Hawks und Rockets wohl auch für direkte Verstärkung zu haben sein könnten glaube ich. Naja, mal abwarten.