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Exclusive: Roy Jones did test positive, steroids
Reported By: Boxing Insider - 08.01.2003 02:57 PM
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By Scoop Malinowski
Richard Hall's astonishing claims - that Roy Jones, possibly the greatest fighter in ring history - tested positive for steroids after their May 2000 fight, have now been confirmed today by Jacob Hall, the Commissioner of Indiana Boxing.
Here is our exclusive interview.
Boxinginsider.com: Did Roy Jones test positive after his fight against Richard Hall?
Jacob Hall: "Both of them did. Roy Jones tested positive for steroids. He was five or six times over an acceptable level. Hall was about ten times above an acceptable level. He didn't mention that in his interview (the now infamous interview of July 18 with Bragging Rights Corner and Doghouse Boxing).
A letter was sent to both (Jones and Hall). The Indiana Boxing Commission followed up - I talked to Jones' people and said we were going to declare the fight a no-contest, suspend and fine him. And at that time, Jones' attorney Fred Levin and the Indiana Attorney General's office got involved.
Indiana has no law on drug testing as probably the majority of the states in the U.S. do not. The drug testing company sent us the results. Most states that don't have drug testing laws, the test results go back to the sanctioning bodies. I think most people are surprised at that. What do the sanctioning bodies do when they get positive test results? Suspend? Fine? They didn't in this case. And there's no way you're going to know about it.
Through his attorney, Jones admitted he had been taking an over-the-counter product called Ripped Fuel. That's not illegal but it is an anabolic steroid according to the IBF and other other sanctioning bodies.
So he did test positive. He did take Ripped Fuel.
Whether that's what he took or not we don't know, but he did test positive and admitted to taking a steroid.
The IBF chose to do nothing. They wanted a second test to be done. But why take a second test when he failed the first one and admitted to taking a steroid? That's where it ended.
No action was taken. Nobody did anything.
We couldn't take action (because there is no drug testing law in the state of Indiana) but what we agreed to was before his next two fights, Roy Jones would submit the results to more drug tests to Indiana. One fight was in Louisiana and those results were negative. And the other was in California, and those results were negative.
What surprised me about this is that the IBF chose not to do anything. And I have documents...what I'm saying, I can back-up. So I'm not concerned with that.
Roy Jones' people were very cooperative and very easy to work with to reach a settlement. Also, I did tell Roy Jones that there are some amateur boxing clubs here in Indiana and he did send a check in the amount of $250 for the Indianapolis PAL."
Boxinginsider.com: How many people have called you since the Richard Hall interview?
Jacob Hall: "Brad Jacobs, now an advisor for Jones, and a reporter from some paper in France, and that was it. Brad Jacobs called to verify if the facts were true about Roy failing the test. He wasn't involved with Roy Jones back in 2000. He just wanted to know what the facts were, like you."
Boxinginsider.com: Wow, that's hard to believe - that only one media outlet from France has called you about this.
Jacob Hall: "All I saw on any of the websites was that Murad Muhammad said Roy Jones tested positive for take some (nasal decongestant). But that was innaccurate. This was not a nasal decongestant."
Boxinginsider.com: Does the state of Nevada have a law on drug testing?
Jacob Hall: "Yes. Most states do not. Nevada does have drug testing. I think most people are surprised at that...they think all boxers are tested. For some time I've tried to get a law passed similar to Nevada but we haven't got that done yet. If the sanctioning bodies choose not to take action, there isn't a lot the state commissions can do. That's why I'm in favor of a Federal Commission like the one Senator John McCain is proposing."
Scoop Malinowski is a Boxinginsider.com contributor.
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BRC: Mr. Hall, how long have you been a Commissioner in Indiana?
JHALL: We have a three member commission. I have been a Commissioner for thirteen years, and I have served as Chairman in the past.
BRC: What was your reaction when you first heard that Richard Hall and Roy Jones had tested positive for anabolic steroids following their championship fight in your state?
JHALL: Well, two feelings... One as a boxing fan I was somewhat let down to know that these two fighters failed the tests, specially since I'm a big fan of Roy Jones. But as a Commissioner, they did fail it, and I attempted to do something about it.
I first worked with Fred Levin, the attorney for Roy Jones, and indicated that we were going to declare the fight a 'no contest,' we were going to fine Roy Jones and we were going to suspend him. That didn't get a very good reaction. However, we soon discovered that we didn't have a law that allowed us to do any of those things. So then, I talked to Greg Serb, who at the time was the President of the Association of Boxing Commissioners. I asked Greg what could we do, because I didn't have a law that said I can take any of those actions.
We went back to Jones' attorney Fred Levin based on my comments and talk with Greg Serb. I said we would ask Roy to take a drug test on his next two fights and send those results to us, and that he (Roy) would make a charitable contribution to a local boxing club. They were very cooperative and they did those two things.
BRC: At what point do you find out Richard Hall failed his test too?
JHALL: We found them out at the same time, I started working with Roy first. In defense of Richard Hall, his attorney at that time was David Slutsker, and he requested that we test the second specimen. We take two specimens, we tested specimen A and he failed that... Mr. Slutsker asked that we test specimen B but after dealing with Roy Jones and finding out we didn't have any authority to do drug testing we did not do the second test. David Slutsker did request, on behalf of Richard Hall, that we do a second test.
BRC: Interesting point... Is it fair to say that you didn't have the authority to even ask Roy to take those additional tests?
JHALL: Correct. They did agree because they wanted to show that Roy was not taking a substance to enhance his performance but if an athlete has a certain period of time and knows that he is going to take a test, well, he has the opportunity to make sure that he has nothing in his system, so, that at least ensured that he wasn't on some enhancing drug prior to those next two fights. Other than that, it didn't mean too much.
BRC: I want to go back to something you said. I believe you said that Greg Serb, who now runs the Pennsylvania Boxing Commission, and who was the President of the Association of Boxing Commissioners... you spoke to him about this situation with Jones and Hall failing their test... Serb knew and he never went public with this story?!?
JHALL: Well, you know, there were quite a few high profile Commissions that were aware of it. California was aware of it, Louisiana was aware of it, nobody really chose to do anything about it...
BRC: (Rudely interrupting, sorry..) Yes, but you just told me, and forgive me for interrupting, that Mr. Serb was the President of the Association of Boxing Commissioners. Is that correct?
JHALL: Correct.
BRC: And in that capacity of leadership, I can't believe that he didn't... I can't believe that the whole episode was swept under the rug like that... This story just gets better and better all the time...
JHALL: Well, it's probably, we didn't feel it was our.. you know, to call a press conference and release this information.
BRC: WHY NOT???
JHALL: That's not our job as regulators. We are not newsmakers, we are regulators...
BRC: No, no, no.. wait a second, but let me tell you that as a fan, my comment to that reply would be this... As regulators you have also promised us that you would keep the sport clean, and operating within certain boundaries and we as fans trust that you are doing exactly that. I mean, if Roy had tested positive for marijuana, we would we have heard about it.
JHALL: I don't know that you would have. We wouldn't have released that information, so if the IBF wouldn't release it, I don't know that we would have.
All this information was also sent to the IBF and I know they are not regulators, but they didn't choose to strip him of his belt(s). They didn't choose to take any further action; and partly to their defense it's that they said they wanted to test the second specimen, but my position is, why test the second specimen if he already admitted that he was taking a supplement. So they (IBF) chose not to do anything at that point, but the IBF could have taken some action. In the past they have taken action against some high profile fighters for failing drug tests.
BRC: Why do you think they didn't in this case??
JHALL: I'm not sure that Boxing Commission or sanctioning bodies really give a lot of credit to steroids. They have it in their rules, the sanctioning bodies, if you test positive for steroids, you know, it's an illegal substance but I don"t know -and you would have to ask them- but I don't feel that they think it's serious.
If he had done this in Nevada he would have... like they did with Vargas, a nine months suspension, and ten percent of his purse.. you know, that's pretty substantial... So they think it's serious...
BRC: This may be an unfair question, and if it is I apologize, but is it possible that since both fighters tested positive the attitude was more like... well, this is a wash.
JHALL: I don't believe so; when both of them tested positive it kind of concerned me that maybe we didn't have a good test but we tested all the fighters that night and Roy Jones did say that he failed it. My first reaction was they both tested positive, let's declare the fight a "no contest" and in hindsight we should have tried to do that... Go to Court, I guess, in hindsight; but at the least it should have been declared a "no contest" since they both tested positive.
BRC: Granted that hindsight is 20/20, and you have already made a case for the 'no contest' decision... but if this were to ever happen again, do you feel that there should also be some punishment or penalty?
JHALL: Certainly. The ABC just recently had their convention in San Louis on July 24th. We had a medical committee, it was made up of prominent physicians like Margaret Goodman, Flip Humanski, Dominick Colleta, and a couple of others. These are probably the top ringside doctors in the country. They all recommended that we have certain standards; one of them is that all states have a urine test for illegal substances.
They presented this basic requirement for medical qualifications that we put all the fighters through, so they recommended these items and everybody that was there said they supported these items and that they would go back and pass tests in their own states to insure that all states have a urine test for illegal substances. Now, will they do it? If not that's another reason why you probably are gonna have to have a National Commission, because we have meetings like this, we have all states represented and we vote on items like this, sometimes nothing happens.
BRC: Let me take it a step further, suppose everybody votes for the testing, did you also deal with what would happen if and when someone fails the test? Obviously in your state you did the testing, but it seems like you weren't ready to deal with the aftermath of the double positive findings...
JHALL: That's correct and what I've introduced here in Indiana taking Nevada's drug testing rules, I've adapted them here in Indiana and I've introduced them over the past few years, it hasn't passed but.. it's pretty good. It doesn't require mandatory testing, only random, because of the high cost. I've tried to do that, and all the states that were at the Convention, they indicated that yes, they would go back and introduce rules or legislation that would require a urine test for illegal substances.
BRC: (Struggling...) Mr. Hall, I must tell you that I am floored by what I'm hearing...
JHALL: (Interjecting strongly...) The people SHOULD be floored about the fact that the majority of the states don't do drug testing. If I give a talk at a luncheon or something, and I indicate that we don't do drug tests, they can't believe that! The majority of the public out there believes that all states do drug tests.
You had some high profile fights... like in Memphis, I'm sure they don't do drug tests. I don't think Louisiana does drug tests, and they've had big fights down there, and a lot of these states that are having high profile fights, don't have drug testing on their books.
BRC: That's very disturbing... Extremely!
JHALL: Well, it is. As a boxing fan it is disturbing, as a regulator I found out that we need it here in Indiana. I've introduced it here in Indiana right after the incident with Jones and Hall, it's been 2-1/2 years now and it hasn't been published. I've been told by the Licensing Agency that "they are looking into it."
There is a reluctance because they feel that this is going to cost a lot but they have the cost of these tests down to where they are very reasonable, and you don't do them for every fight, you do them randomly or only for title fights. So, in my mind the cost is not prohibitive."
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