NBA-Draft 2010

[Niko_76er]

vielen dank nochmal für deine Mühe, auch wenn ich mir dein resumeé anders gewünscht hätte^^

 

[mariofour]

DX über Tibor:

• Tibor Pleiss has received a lot of good buzz recently, and he stacks up very well against his NCAA counterparts here, albeit in a small sample of games. Jump shots accounted for more of Pleiss’ shots than every center in our rankings aside from Hassan Whiteside, showing his impressive ability to step away from the rim and hit shots from the midrange. Toss in the fact that Pleiss scored 75% of his finishing attempts, and got fouled at a high rate, and his resume is very impressive. The only knocks we have against him is his lack of usage (7 Pos/G) and the so-so level of competition he faced in Europe.

Lustig, dass man sich bei Pleiss über die Qualität seiner Gegner auslässt, aber bei Artsiom Parakhouski, der bei fucking Radford in der fucking Big South gespielt hat und gegen Duke und Kansas mit 40 auf den Deckel bekommen hat, spielt das keine Rolle...Double Standard ick hör dir trapsen.

 

[Gast00]

Generell gebe ich dir recht. Allerdings ist Parakhouski nie ernsthaft als Erstrundenkandidat im Gespräch gewesen, oder habe ich was verpasst?

vielen dank nochmal für deine Mühe, auch wenn ich mir dein resumeé anders gewünscht hätte^^

Das kann ich verstehen. Mancher Fan hält meine Einschätzung wohl auch für viel zu pessimistisch. Wenn es dich tröstet: Andere, hochrespektierte Sportforen-User sehen Turner als kommende 1. Option und möglichen Franchise-Spieler, der sie an Roy, Bryant, McGrady und Grant Hill erinnert.

Es gibt aber gute Gründe, warum ich bezweifele, dass diese Einordnung korrekt ist:

Als Turner aus der High School kam, galt er als sehr gutes, aber beileibe nicht überragendes College-Talent ("four-star recruit"). Scout.com schätzte ihn als den sechzehntbesten Small Forward seines Jahrgangs ein, u.a. hinter den heutigen NBA-Spielern James Johnson und Austin Daye. Insgesamt schaffte Turner es gerade mal in die Top-80 der Klasse von 2007. Rivals.com sah es ähnlich: "four-star recruit", dreizehntbester Small Forward, Top-50 seines Jahrgangs. Wer diesen beiden Seiten nicht traut, weil er sie nicht kennt: Auch ESPN hatte Turner nur auf Rang 49.

Nun werden Spieler immer wieder über- und unterbewertet; dafür gibt es Dutzende Beispiele - akzeptiert. Die Kehrseite der Medaille ist jedoch die Gefahr, dass Turner tatsächlich nur genau so gut sein könnte, wie die Experten es schon vermuteten, als er aus der High School kam. In dem Fall hat er den Großteil seiner spielerischen Entwicklung schon am College durchlaufen und wird jetzt nicht mehr viel besser werden (wie Shane Battier, Kirk Hinrich, Shelden Williams). Selbst wer das nicht glaubt, sollte die Möglichkeit nicht ausschließen, dass es genau so ist.

Ich stehe mit meiner Meinung so ziemlich in der Mitte. Turner hat offensichtlich nicht das verbliebene Potential von Wall, Cousins und Favors. Dazu ist er schon athletisch zu limitiert. Allerdings befindet er sich schon jetzt auf einem höheren Niveau als die meisten anderen Rookies dieses Jahrgangs. Selbst wenn er keinen Deut besser werden sollte, werden viele seiner Draft-Kollegen mächtig strampeln müssen, um überhaupt sein Level zu erreichen. Turner dürfte also jetzt bereits ein solider bis guter NBA-Spieler sein. Aus meiner Sicht spricht die Wahrscheinlichkeit jedoch dagegen, dass er noch mal einen Sprung machen und zum Franchise-Spieler aufsteigen wird.

 

[Gast00]

Chad Ford's Mock Draft, Version 5.0

1. Washington - John Wall, Kentucky
2. Philadelphia - Evan Turner, Ohio State

we continue to receive strong signals from inside the Sixers' organization that he is the guy they'll take at No. 2. [...] I'm not sure he has the upside (and he certainly doesn't have the size and athleticism) of Favors, and I continue to hear that head coach Doug Collins prefers Favors to Turner.

[...]

I do think it will take a blockbuster to convince Philly to move the No. 2 pick. Either someone is going to have to take Elton Brand off the Sixers' hands or offer them a young All-Star in return. If they don't get that offer, it's more a toss-up between Turner and Favors than some think.

3. New Jersey - Derrick Favors, Georgia Tech

The team also is high on Syracuse forward Wesley Johnson. I'm told he's in the mix at the No. 3 spot as well. But for now, Favors has the edge.

4. Minnesota - Wesley Johnson, Syracuse

Unless Derrick Favors falls to No. 4, I think you can use a Sharpie with Wes Johnson here.

5. Sacramento - DeMarcus Cousins, Kentucky

Last week we had Greg Monroe going to Sacramento. But this week things changed pretty dramatically when DeMarcus Cousins came into town to work out with the Kings. He was, in a word, awesome.

Cousins was red hot shooting the ball (he converted 78 percent of the shots he took) and had the Kings' brass drooling by the end of the workout. While GM Geoff Petrie still has his reservations about Cousins as a person, it sounds like the Kings have fallen in love with him as a player and he now has the edge over Greg Monroe for the No. 5 pick should Wes Johnson not be on the board.

However, the process isn't over yet. Monroe is coming in for a second workout with the Kings against Hassan Whiteside on Saturday. That should be interesting.

The Kings are also exploring trading picks, with one team (Detroit) squarely on the radar. If the Pistons would give up the No. 7 pick and Tayshaun Prince for the No. 5 pick and Andres Nocioni, I think they'd have a deal.

6. Golden State - Greg Monroe, Georgetown

Over the course of the past week, I've heard a number of players were atop their list, including DeMarcus Cousins, Greg Monroe, Al-Farouq Aminu, Xavier Henry, Ekpe Udoh, Patrick Patterson ... I could go on. [...]

For weeks, the word I've been getting is Cousins is the guy. If he's off the board, the next closest consensus among sources (and I use the word consensus loosely) is Monroe.

7. Detroit - Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest

Detroit is really high on both Cousins and Favors, but most likely it'll have to move up in the draft to get one of them. Regardless, the team needs a big man. [...] the Pistons are among a handful of teams who think, given Aminu's length, that he can play the 4 in the NBA. He's going to need to get stronger, but he has a penchant for rebounding and runs the floor like a deer.

Ed Davis, Greg Monroe and Ekpe Udoh all have a shot here as well.

8. Los Angeles Clippers - Gordon Hayward, Butler

The latest word has them narrowing the field down to Al-Farouq Aminu, Greg Monroe, Ed Davis, Hayward and Paul George.

9. Utah (via New York) - Luke Babbitt, Nevada

I think Babbitt has a slight lead over Henry and Davis at the moment. But this one could come down to draft night.

10. Indiana - Ed Davis, North Carolina

If the Pacers are fortunate enough to see Davis slip, they're in a much better place. While Davis is very raw, he's got the size, athleticism and shot-blocking ability that the team has been craving for years.

11. New Orleans - Cole Aldrich, Kansas

Their choices here are Aldrich, Patrick Patterson, Daniel Orton and Hassan Whiteside.

12. Memphis - Patrick Patterson, Kentucky

We've heard Paul George's name here and he would be an excellent replacement for Rudy Gay if he leaves via free agency. But Patterson has worked out to pretty strong reviews.

13. Toronto - Avery Bradley, Texas
14. Houston - Ekpe Udoh, Baylor
15. Milwaukee (via Chicago) - Xavier Henry, Kansas
16. Minnesota (via Charlotte) - Paul George, Fresno State
17. Chicago (via Milwaukee) - James Anderson, Oklahoma State
18. Miami - Eric Bledsoe, Kentucky
19. Boston - Solomon Alabi, Florida State
20. San Antonio - Damion James, Texas
21. Oklahoma City - Daniel Orton, Kentucky
22. Portland - Hassan Whiteside, Marshall
23. Minnesota (via Utah) - Kevin Seraphin, France
24. Atlanta - Lance Stephenson, Cincinnati
25. Memphis (via Denver)- Dominique Jones, South Florida
26. Oklahoma City (via Phoenix) - Craig Brackins, Iowa State
27. New Jersey (via Dallas) - Jordan Crawford, Xavier
28. Memphis (via L.A. Lakers) - Larry Sanders, Va. Commonwealth
29. Orlando - Armon Johnson, Nevada
30. Washington (via Cleveland) - Quincy Pondexter, Washington

Next Five In: Keith Gallon, PF, Oklahoma; Terrico White, G, Mississippi; Willie Warren, G, Oklahoma; Devin Ebanks, F, West Virginia; Stanley Robinson, F, UConn

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Noch 'n Gedicht...


Top five prospects by position

Here's my top five at each slot, plus a bonus "value pick" who should go late in the first round or in the second.

Point Guard

1. John Wall, Kentucky
The consensus top freshman in college basketball has all the physical attributes to have a Derrick Rose-like impact immediately in the NBA.

2. Eric Bledsoe, Kentucky
While he's been compared to the Thunder's Russell Westbrook, a fairer comparison may be with former UK Wildcat Rajon Rondo.

3. Armon Johnson, Nevada
Johnson possesses an NBA point guard's athleticism -- a 38-inch vertical at the Chicago combine -- and that makes him intriguing. A great first step gets him into the lane easily, but the lack of a consistent outside shot and a lack of a point guard's understanding right now makes him a work in progress.

4. Dominique Jones, South Florida
Jones was best this season with the ball in his hands and, while a prolific scorer at South Florida, he is a more-than-willing passer. His size and strength allow him to bull his way into the lane and, if his jumper were a little more consistent, Jones would be in the top half of the draft.

5. Greivis Vasquez, Maryland
The ACC Player of the Year has some deficiencies athletically and could shoot the ball better, but he is a winner who, even as a second-round pick, should make a roster.

Value Pick: Mikhail Torrance, Alabama
The 6-foot-5 guard can shoot with either hand but that's not why NBA teams like him. In addition to his size, he's got a good handle and is already effective in pick-and-roll situations, a staple of NBA basketball.

Shooting Guard

1. Evan Turner, Ohio State
The 6-7 junior was the most versatile player in college basketball, playing four different positions for the Buckeyes. He'll fit in nicely at the shooting guard spot, once he hones a jump shot that, while accurate, wasn't needed much to dominate in the Big Ten. In addition, he's got great intangibles, including an insatiable desire to keep improving.

2. James Anderson, Oklahoma State
A lack of supreme athleticism has been a chink in his armor but Anderson has the positional size and skill be a productive NBA player. While shooting the corner 3-point shot will be his bread and butter, the 6-6 junior is a deceptive passer and has learned to use his dribble as an effective weapon.

3. Xavier Henry, Kansas
At 6-6, Henry has prototype NBA shooting guard size and range. A lack of lateral quickness, however, could rear its ugly head on the defensive end of the floor.

4. Avery Bradley, Texas
Bradley is your classic combo guard. While known for his defensive prowess in high school because of his relentless attitude, strength and quickness, he became a more than reliable midrange shooter. Unfortunately, the freshman did not show the kind of basketball acumen to run an NBA team right now.

5. Lance Stephenson, Cincinnati
if he matures and channels his competitiveness in the right direction, Stephenson could be a great late first-round pick. He's got NBA size, strength, skills and a high motor. He's a high risk/high reward pick.

Value Pick: Andy Rautins, Syracuse
He's smart, experienced, has good size, is an excellent passer and has an outstanding long-range stroke.

Small Forward

1. Wesley Johnson, Syracuse
He sensationally used his athletic ability in transition and on the offensive glass and has elevated into an accurate midrange jump shooter. His lack of ballhandling skills scares me, but a good coach will play to what he does well. He may have trouble guarding physical small forwards, however.

2. Paul George, Fresno State
The 6-8 George is rising fast up draft boards as NBA people remind themselves of his enticing combination of size, athleticism and shooting ability. Also in George's favor is that he just turned 20 years old. If he can shed the "soft" label, the sky's the limit.

3. Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest
Aminu is one of the best athletes in this draft but his transition from power forward to small forward will be tricky. Because he has not shown the ability to shoot the jumper with accuracy or handle the basketball, he is the classic tweener.

4. Gordon Hayward, Butler
Hayward is a very good athlete whose slashing ability against slower defenders was utilized perfectly in Butler's spread offense. While he's been stereotyped as a great shooter, Hayward struggled with the deep ball last season because of a lack of strength, in my opinion. That weakness will be exploited at the NBA level if he doesn't bulk up that 210-pound frame.

5. Damion James, Texas
The Big 12's all-time leading rebounder is a power forward trapped in a small forward's body. The hope is that James can marry a relentlessness on both backboards with an improved perimeter skill level and become an effective rotation player in the NBA.

Value Pick: Devin Ebanks, West Virginia
Wow! I had this guy pegged as a lottery selection last summer because of his positional size, defensive skill and rebounding ability. If he overcomes some issues that plagued him early last season, as well as improves his jump shot, he has a chance to help a team as a rookie.

Power Forward

1. Derrick Favors, Georgia Tech
Favors is a fabulous athlete whose skill level around the basket is on the come. [...] At worst, Favors is Al Horford, and that's a pretty good start for a young big man who will be a "no maintainance" guy for his coaches.

2. Ekpe Udoh, Baylor
If you are looking for a low-maintenance, high-basketball IQ guy with the size and athletic ability to be a defensive-oriented power forward who helps a team right now, Udoh is your guy. While the 23-year-old's age is being used against him, his maturity level is a huge positive. He can be in the rotation of 20 teams right now.

3. Ed Davis, North Carolina
Before a wrist injury ended his season, Davis was a one-dimensional low-post player who lacked the strength to physically dominate opponents. At 21, he may be a good "future" pick, but he still has work to do.

4. Luke Babbitt, Nevada
The former McDonald's All-American had two very productive years for his hometown team. At 6-9, he is not only a player who can stretch a defense with his jump shot, but can score inside or handle the ball on the break.

5. Patrick Patterson, Kentucky
What you see is what you get with Patterson. He's a hard-working, undersized power forward who will rebound the ball well but will struggle scoring over length. An improved midrange shot will help his pick-and-pop ability. In addition, Paterson's intangibles are off the charts.

Value Pick: Kevin Seraphin, France
France has produced a number of good, young, under-the-radar draft prospects recently, including Nicolas Batum and Roddy Beaubois, and Seraphin should be next. At 6-9 and 274 pounds, he's built like the Celtics' Kendrick Perkins and is a good value pick at the end of the first round.

Center

1. DeMarcus Cousins, Kentucky
There is no denying Cousins' prolific talent. He has All-Star potential. At 6-11, he has phenomenal basketball skills for his size, including a reliable jump shot and excellent passing ability. Because of immaturity issues in the past, the team that drafts him will be holding its breath, though.

2. Greg Monroe, Georgetown
Monroe is battling the perception that he is a soft big man because he rarely dominated a college game with his scoring. However, if an NBA team values an all-around skill level and great passing from its big man, Monroe is a unique fit.

3. Cole Aldrich, Kansas
Aldrich may never be an NBA All-Star, but he'll be in the league for a long time because he can rebound, block shots and be in the right place on the court defensively. He's been coached hard by Bill Self and has a high maturity level.

4. Daniel Orton, Kentucky
Orton is a gamble, but one who could pay off down the road because he has prototypical NBA center size at 6-10 and 260 pounds. This is a player who missed most of his senior year of high school with a knee injury and played only 13 minutes a game at UK.

5. Hassan Whiteside, Marshall
In their dreams, NBA executives see a young Marcus Camby in Whiteside. And, with the way he blocks shots, it's easy to understand why. However, his lack of experience and maturity right now makes him a player who is all over the draft board. I probably have him lower than most.

Value Pick: Jerome Jordan, Tulsa
The 7-footer with a 7-5 wing span will likely be around in the early part of the second round and, while some expect more from him, he's constantly improved over four seasons -- check his numbers out. By the way, he averaged almost 19 points, 14 rebounds and 3 blocks against Whiteside this season.

 

[polizeiaffe]

Kann mir jemand was zu Luke Babbitt sagen, steht immerhin bei den Picks, wo die Jazz angesiedelt sind.

Bringt der was? Ich meine mit Keith Van Horn verglichen zu werden, ist ja nicht überragend oder?

Sind George, David, Patterson oder Aldrich nicht eine bessere Wahl?

 

[supafly03]

Kann mir jemand was zu Luke Babbitt sagen, steht immerhin bei den Picks, wo die Jazz angesiedelt sind.

Bringt der was? Ich meine mit Keith Van Horn verglichen zu werden, ist ja nicht überragend oder?

Sind George, David, Patterson oder Aldrich nicht eine bessere Wahl?

Babbitt ist ein guter Schütze und scheint immer weiter in den Mock Drafts zu klettern.

Das die anderen wirklich bessere Picks werden wird sich erst noch zeigen, denn die haben mindestens genau so viele Fragezeichen wie der Mann aus Nevada.

George ist der gehypteste Spieler der Drafts und bei dem ist vom Tracy McGrady(so gut wohl kaum) like Überflieger bis hin zu Harold Minor'schen Dimensionen alles drin. Da muss man ordentlich abwarten und darf sich nicht zu sehr vom Hype blenden lassen.

Ed Davis hat Talent, aber überragend ist er auch nicht.
Patrick Patterson dürfte ein guter Big von der Bank aus oder ein solider Starter werden. Mehr nicht.
Und Cole Aldrich wird gerne mal als Rich Mans Joel Przybilla erklärt, was nun auch nicht überragend wäre.

Natürlich war van Horn kein Future Hall of Famer, aber dennoch, zu seinen Hochzeiten, ein sehr guter Scorer, der auch so sehr kritisiert wurde weil er an #2 gezogen und als nächste Larry Bird(da Hautfarbe weiß) gehandelt wurde.
Und so schlimm wäre es dann nicht einen wie ihn an #9 zu ziehen, vor allem weil ich Babbitt etwas kontaktfreudiger als den ehemaligen Net, Sixer und Mav einschätze.

 

[Gast00]

Analyzing the draft tiers

So what do the tiers look like this year? After talking to several GMs and scouts whose teams employ this system, I put together the following groupings.

Tier 1

John Wall

Note: Wall is the consensus No. 1 pick in the draft, but unlike last year with Blake Griffin, he's not miles ahead of Evan Turner or Derrick Favors. Still, when all 30 GMs agree you are No. 1, you get your own category.

Tier 2

DeMarcus Cousins, Derrick Favors, Wesley Johnson, Evan Turner

Note: Turner is the consensus No. 2 pick in the draft. All but two teams listed him as the No. 2 player on their boards, regardless of need. However, one team listed Favors and another went with Cousins at No. 2, while Johnson got a handful of votes at No. 3. The thing they all have in common is that every team I've spoken with believes these players could be NBA All-Stars down the road.

Tier 3

Al-Farouq Aminu, Ed Davis, Greg Monroe

Note: This is a pretty small third tier and says something about how NBA GMs see this draft. They believe the three players above have All-Star potential, but all have significant weaknesses that could keep them from living up to it. All three players were consensus top-eight picks. Aminu and Monroe made every list. Teams were a little shakier on Davis, but in all but one case, he made the cut.

Tier 4

Cole Aldrich, Luke Babbitt, Eric Bledsoe, Avery Bradley, Gordon Hayward, Xavier Henry, Paul George, Daniel Orton, Patrick Patterson, Ekpe Udoh

Note: This is a huge tier and shows the parity in the draft. Theoretically, teams are saying you can get the same quality of player at No. 9 that you will get at No. 19. This is where the real depth of the draft is. Of this group, Udoh, Hayward and Henry each got a vote for Tier 3, and all three were unanimous selections from the other teams in Tier 4. Orton and Bledsoe were borderline between here and Tier 5.

Tier 5

Solomon Alabi, James Anderson, Craig Brackins, Jordan Crawford, Devin Ebanks, Keith Gallon, Darington Hobson, Damion James, Armon Johnson, Dominique Jones, Gani Lawal, Dexter Pittman, Tibor Pleiss, Quincy Pondexter, Stanley Robinson, Larry Sanders, Kevin Seraphin, Lance Stephenson, Jarvis Varnado, Hassan Whiteside, Elliot Williams

Note: This is what I would call the first-round bubble group and where the consensus really started to break down. A few teams had Alabi, James and Whiteside in Tier 4, but not quite enough for them to make the cut. Whiteside was an interesting case because he got one Tier 2 and one Tier 3 vote as well. In other words, teams are all over the place on him. Johnson, Lawal, Pittman, Pleiss and Varnado were borderline picks here. Every one of these players dropped out of the top 30 on at least one team's draft board.

So how does the tier system work?

A team ranks players in each tier according to need. So, in Tier 4, if a team needs a swingman, a guy like Hayward or Henry is ranked No. 1. If power forward is the biggest need, Udoh or Patterson is ranked No. 1.

The rules are pretty simple. You always draft the highest-ranked player in a given tier. Also, you never take a player from a lower tier if one from a higher tier is available. So, for example, if the Hornets are drafting No. 11 (Tier 4 territory) and Aminu (a Tier 3 player) is on the board, they take him regardless of position. If they have Aldrich ranked No. 1 in Tier 4, they still take Aminu, even though center is a more pressing need.

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Level assessment: Why guys like Rajon Rondo and Russell Westbrook are better in NBA than college

Daniel Orton averaged 3.4 points as a freshman for Kentucky last season, but that hasn't stopped some GMs from thinking the 19-year-old center might be worth a lottery slot in the upcoming draft. His stats and status may seem incompatible, but a team builder's job is to project what a player will do, not grade what he has already done.

[...]

"Some players are great in college and only average in the NBA," says Pistons president Joe Dumars. "Some are average in college but great in the pros. It's because the pro game is so different. It lets guys like Rondo exploit their talents more." [...] "The college game can make the court feel really small," says Dumars. "In the NBA, the court is more spread out, and the rules encourage more individual play."

[...]

This year, Texas guard Avery Bradley, Kentucky guard Eric Bledsoe and *Georgetown forward/center Greg Monroe may well follow in the footsteps of *Westbrook, [Deron] Williams and Rondo. [...] And then there's Orton. DeMarcus Cousins and Patrick Patterson hogged much of UK's inside game, leaving little room for Orton, a highly regarded prospect who was coming off knee surgery. Fact is, he has tremendous size and strength that should pay off in a league in which so many bigs float to the perimeter. And that highlights one final factor: Physical profiles, in particular elite athleticism, matter.

"It's so tough to be a great player if you aren't a great athlete," Blazers GM Kevin Pritchard says. "You can hide it in college because teams pack it in on defense and make you beat them on the perimeter. But in the NBA, teams primarily play man-to-man, and speed and quickness rise to the top."

[...]

Through this lens, Wake Forest's Al-Farouq Aminu and UConn's Stanley Robinson look better and better. Neither forward lived up to his potential in college, but both possess first-tier skills.

 

[Gast00]

Draftexpress-Workout-Video: Wilt Abdul-O'Neal



Man kann von ihm halten, was man will, aber seine Mischung aus Rebounding, Einsatz und Midrange-Wurf ist einzigartig, nicht nur in diesem Draft. Unter einem Coach, der ihm beibringt, wann er zu werfen und wann zu passen hat, wird eine bessere NBA-Karriere für ihn drin sein, als seine körperlichen Voraussetzungen es vermuten lassen. Ich bin jedenfalls schon sehr gespannt, bei welchem Team Small Country landen wird.

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Die oben beschriebenen Draft Tiers sind wirklich eine interessante Sache. Ich persönlich würde sie so aufbauen:

Tier 1: John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins

Tier 2: Derrick Favors, Evan Turner

Tier 3: Greg Monroe, Ed Davis, Wesley Johnson, Eric Bledsoe

Tier 4: Patrick Patterson, Avery Bradley, Al-Farouq Aminu, Gordon Hayward

Tier 5: Luke Babbitt, Ekpe Udoh, Xavier Henry, Cole Aldrich, Paul George, Daniel Orton, Craig Brackins, Damion James, James Anderson

Tier 6: Devin Ebanks, Gani Lawal, Quincy Pondexter, Solomon Alabi, Jordan Crawford, Lance Stephenson, Jarvis Varnado, Stanley Robinson, Hassan Whiteside

 

[Rizzle]

Interessant, in der Tat!
Ich würde allerdings Aminu und Bledsoe tauschen. genauso wie Henry und Hayward. Ich glaube ehrlich Aminu könnte der Steal der Draft sein. ich schätze ihn besser als Johnson ein, und der könnte an 6. gezogen echt ein super Spieler werden.

 

[Gast00]

Ein Nachtrag: Die Draft Tiers, die von Ford aufgelistet wurden, sind in alphabetischer Reihenfolge (darum Turner am Ende von Tier 2).

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Es ist nicht überraschend, dass deine Draft Tiers anders aussehen als meine. Ein Dritter würde vermutlich abermals andere Draft Tiers für sich zusammenstellen. Dazu passt, was Ford von einem General Manager erfahren haben will (Link s.o.):

"I fight with my scouts constantly," one prominent GM told me. "Everyone has their own ideas, their own preferences, their own methodology. There really is no consensus, and, I hate to say it, I'm not sure there's even any real right or wrong."

Warum habe ich Bledsoe vor Aminu und Hayward vor Henry?

Bledsoe hat als Point Guard bereits eine feste Position, noch dazu die wichtigste neben der des Centers (die wiederum für mich Cousins in Tier 1 und Monroe an die Spitze von Tier 3 befördert). Aminu hingegen ist optimistisch gesehen ein Combo-Forward und pessimistisch gesehen ein Tweener. Da besteht dann doch mehr Ungewissheit als bei Bledsoe.

Hayward über Henry zu stellen, ist natürlich eine Entscheidung, die von manchem anders gesehen werden dürfte. Ich halte Hayward nicht für den besseren Athleten und Schützen, ja nicht einmal für das größere Talent, sondern einfach für den besseren und intelligenteren Basketballer - die berühmten Intangibles geben den Ausschlag für meine Entscheidung.

 

[supafly03]

Draftexpress-Workout-Video: Wilt Abdul-O'Neal



Man kann von ihm halten, was man will, aber seine Mischung aus Rebounding, Einsatz und Midrange-Wurf ist einzigartig, nicht nur in diesem Draft. Unter einem Coach, der ihm beibringt, wann er zu werfen und wann zu passen hat, wird eine bessere NBA-Karriere für ihn drin sein, als seine körperlichen Voraussetzungen es vermuten lassen. Ich bin jedenfalls schon sehr gespannt, bei welchem Team Small Country landen wird.

Wenn ich Harangody in den Mock Drafts immer so um Pick #55 bis #60 sehe dann kann ich meist nur mit dem Kopf schütteln.
Klar wird der kein Superstar und einer mit unglaublichem Upside ist er auch nicht, aber in Runde zwei schaue ich doch, ob ich zumindest einen finde der mir irgendwie helfen könnte und das macht Harangody mit seinem Rebounding auf jeden Fall.
Von daher würde ich ihn eigentlich eher in der Mitte der zweiten Runde erwarten, denn die Paul Millsaps oder Jon Brockmans der letzten Drafts haben ja gezeigt, dass solch ein Typ Spieler helfen kann.
Aber gut, da käme ihm dann wohl nur ein Nachname wie Harandgowatzki und ne Polnische Staatsbürgerschaft zu Gute, weil er dann wohl ein Euro mit viel Upside(worauf die Teams heiß sind) wäre...

Deswegen würde mich es freuen, sollten die Clippers ihn an #54 wählen, denn so als Kämpfer/Rebounder hinter Kaman, Griffin und Jordan könnte ich mir ihn schon recht gut vorstellen.


PS: Dein Alptraum könnte übrigens wahr werden. :clown:

Wie es aussieht scheint Gordon Hayward sehr hoch im Kurs bei den Clippers zu stehen und er könnte gut und gerne an #8 zu uns gehen, obwohl ich für ihn lieber etwas nach unten traden würde.

Ist zwar nur Hoopsworld, aber auch schon von anderen(wie Chad Ford) habe ich ähnliches gelesen.

Hayward and the Clippers: With the 8th overall pick in next week's draft the Los Angeles Clippers are in a prime position to add another talented piece to their already impressive young core. All signs point to them going with a swingman in the draft and according to sources Gordon Hayward is their guy.

Although eight is a major stretch for the small forward from Butler, Hayward is exactly what the Clippers are looking for as they try to change the dynamic of their team. Moving forward the Clippers are only interested in adding players that are content with being a Clipper and willing to give it their all. Hayward is the kind of kid that will be ecstatic to play anywhere in the NBA, especially if it's with a franchise willing to invest a top ten pick in him.

With Blake Griffin set to make his rookie debut next year the Clippers don't feel the pressure to take the best player on the board. They want the best fit and Hayward is that. He also brings a tremendous amount of upside to the table, even though it may not be as much as Paul George and Al-Farouq Aminu.

It's hard to completely buy into anything at the time of the year since this is when things change almost hourly, but right now there's strong signs pointing towards Butler being a Clipper.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16520

 

[Clueso]

Kann man die Draft eigentlich irgendwo live sehen? Wird die bei Sky übertragen? Würde mir das gerne mal anschauen wenn ich sowieso Urlaub habe.
Wie stehen eigentlich nun die Chancen für Tibor Pleiß? Mal liest man die Thunder wollen Ihn an #26 ziehen, mal liest man seinen Namen überhaupt nicht in den Mock Drafts. Experience_Maker Du hast doch einen ziemlichen Plan oder? Hast Du was darüber gehört?

 

[Mahoney_jr]

Hier ein sehr interessanter Artikel zur Entscheidungsfindung im Draft bei den Grizzlies. Heisley (Besitzer) trifft im Endeffekt die Entscheidung:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/jun/20/owners-manual/

Deckt sich mit den Aktionen von Memphis in den letzten Jahren. Mit Wallace hat er ja schließlich auch einen GM geholt, den er gut steuern kann und der nicht aufmuckt. Dementsprechend wurde der Mann nun auch verlängert.

 

[Joe Berry]

dieses System wird nie von dauerhaftem Erfolge gekrönt sein, ein Eigentümer der sich so einmischt, und seinem GM die Entscheidungsverantwortung abnimmt, ist fehl mMn fehl am Platz...es gibt einfach fähigere Leute die Basketballentscheidungen fällen sollten, da kann der Eigentümer sich auch den Teufel als Berater holen, ich glaube nicht das sojemand bessere Entscheidungen trifft, als ein eigenständiger GM

 

[Gast00]

Die Clippers haben doch bereits Craig Smith als Kämpfer und Rebounder von der Bank. Nicht gierig werden!

Dennoch sollte Harangody an 54 längst weg sein; da gebe ich dir recht. Warum Draftexpress aktuell den 6'7''-PF Trevor Booker an #37 und den 6'8''-PF Samardo Samuels an #47, Harangody jedoch nur an #60 hat, erschließt sich mir nicht. 'gody gehört unter die Top-40, wenigstens Top-45 dieses Drafts. Zu den Blazers an #44 würde mich z.B. riesig freuen.

Zu Hayward habe ich mich bereits im Clippers-Thread geäußert. Was den "Albtraum" betrifft: Du wirst es vielleicht nicht glauben, aber ich mag die Clippers irgendwie. Sie sind für mich schon immer eine der interessantesten Franchises gewesen, und sie würden bei ihrem derzeitigen Spielermaterial auch mein Wunsch-Team für LeBron James sein, wenn sie nicht... naja, die Clippers wären.

@ Clueso

Der Draft wird auf den gängigen Live-Streams im Internet zu sehen sein, aber kaum im deutschen Fernsehen.

Zu Pleiß: Es deutet vieles darauf hin, dass er in der späten 1. Runde gewählt werden wird, ganz unabhängig von eventuellen Versprechen, die oft genug sowieso nicht stimmen. Für Pleiß in Runde 1 spricht eher die fehlende internationale Konkurrenz nach den Rückziehern von Motiejunas und Benzing. Davon dürfte (und soll) auch der Franzose Kevin Seraphin profitieren, der in Draftkreisen ebenfalls zwischen #20 und #30 erwartet wird.

Die spannende Frage ist eher, was aus Ryan Richards werden wird. Bei ihm ist zwischen Pick 20 und "Pick 61" so ziemlich alles möglich. Sollte er wirklich seinen Weg in die Top-30 finden, würde es mich gar nicht so sehr wundern. Immerhin verdrehte er in der Draft-Vorbereitung wohl einigen Team-Vertretern die Köpfe. Nach meiner Erinnerung waren Picks wie Ian Mahinmi und Christian Eyenga da doch überraschender.

 

[Gast00]

Red Flags: The plight of the "tweener"

The issue I hear about most often from scouts is that the player is a "tweener," meaning one who lacks the prototypical size for the position that his skill set most resembles.

[...]

Tyrus Thomas, for example, was seen by most NBA executives as a fast power forward, but he talked about being a small forward. It didn't hurt his draft positioning, but has helped to slow his overall development [...]

In this year's class the same can be said for Al-Farouq Aminu, who talks of being a 3 while looking like a solid 4. Gordon Hayward is a more classic example, as he has the body of an NBA shooting guard, the skills of a small forward and yet played power forward often in college.

We see this issue a lot with guards who are smaller than 6-foot-5 (normally seen as the minimum height for a starting 2 guard) but are scoring guards more so than point guards. The term "combo guard" was coined for these players (Bobby Jackson might have been the first guy recognized as such), and combos tend to be better utilized off the bench. Teams, especially those drafting in the top 20, always hope they are drafting a potential starter, which makes slotting a guy like Avery Bradley this year a challenge.

Motor malfunction

Another major problem some talented players face is the question about their "motor," or how hard and how often they play. [...] Teams worry that if a player struggled to compete consistently in the short college season, they'd be even more of a risk in the pros. [...]

Cole Aldrich, Paul George and Greg Monroe all are dealing with this issue, so if they fall far below initial expectations, it likely means they did not answer those questions well enough in workouts.

Fatal flaws

But red flags don't just come in intangible forms. Draftable players, even likely first-rounders, who fail in one particular area specific to their position are at risk to drop. Shooting guards who don't shoot well, big men who put up average rebounding numbers or point guards who turn the ball over too much (or just didn't pass a lot), all have to show improvement in these areas during the pre-draft process.

Solomon Alabi measured as the tallest player in Chicago this year but has pedestrian rebounding numbers. Dominique Jones is an explosive scorer but made less than 32 percent of his 3-pointers the past two years at USF. Eric Bledsoe is a point guard (though he didn't play there a lot) who had a very low assist-per-40-minutes stat (pace adjusted). All three players have a big draft range because some teams have real concerns about those issues. We saw this last year with Jrue Holiday, who dropped to No. 17 because he looked like a point guard who couldn't shoot and didn't pass much, after being the Gatorade National Player of the Year.

College catalyst

Unproductive or underachieving college players with discernable upside are certainly draftable, but their stock is rarely as valuable as it would have been had they done more while in school. It's one reason why players who perform well in the Final Four can see a jump in their perceived value. (David Lee put up underwhelming numbers in college and slipped to No. 30 while Emeka Okafor helped lead UConn to a title and went No. 2 overall.)

Nichts unfassbar Neues von Thorpe, aber doch schön zusammengefasst.

Wendet man diese Liste jetzt z.B. mal auf Harangody an, kommt er maximal als Tweener infrage, dem es an Größe (und Athletik) fehlt. Ansonsten kann er punkten und rebounden, wie man es von einem Power Forward erwartet, hat den vielleicht besten "Motor" aller Spieler im Draft und war statistisch ungemein produktiv, gerade gegen gute Mannschaften. Ich denke, die NBA-Teams sind sich dessen bewusst und werden ihn dementsprechend einordnen.

 

[Clueso]

@ e_m -> Okay alles klar. Hatte gehofft, dass es vielleicht bei Sky über NBA TV läuft oder so. Ich glaub ich schau es mir mal an.
Wäre natürlich schon geil wenn Pleiß von den Thunder gezogen werden würde. Wobei man ja liest, dass Sie ihn wenn dann auch in Europa parken wollen. Aber erstmal vielen Dank für deine Antwort!

 

[Gast00]

Bitte immer bedenken, dass das reine Draften überhaupt nichts bedeutet. Die Chancen, Pleiß nächstes Jahr in der NBA zu sehen, dürften ziemlich schlecht stehen, und auch danach könnte es noch einige Jahre dauern, bis es vielleicht dazu kommt (siehe Rubio, Splitter, Scola).

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2010 NBA player mock draft

1. Washington Wizards | John Wall, PG, Kentucky

"There are so many things to like about him. He's strong, fast, smart, and he's a leader. He's just a pure talent. We've been talking about him all year. We're excited. He'll be an immediate impact type of player. He's just that good." --Andray Blatche, Wizards, F

"Can't argue with Blatche here. Big men need great point guards, and Wall has the chance to be great." --Chad Ford

2. Philadelphia 76ers | Derrick Favors, PF, Georgia Tech

"I'm a little biased, because he's a Georgia Tech Yellow Jacket too. But he's a talented big who can get us 10 boards and 10 points and be a great defender. Derrick is a pick for the future, or we can trade for a veteran ... Can we do that?" --Thaddeus Young, 76ers, F

"Thaddeus Young may be a bit of a homer, but I actually agree with him here. Evan Turner's upside is Brandon Roy. Favors is Dwight Howard. Who would you choose?" --Chad Ford

3. New Jersey Nets | Evan Turner, SG, Ohio State

"He is a good athlete with multiple talents. He also has a high basketball IQ, which is important in adapting and being successful." --Devin Harris, Nets, PG

"Turner is a great pick for the Nets. His point guard skills are good enough that he could eventually push Harris back to the 2, his more natural position." --Chad Ford

4. Minnesota Timberwolves | Wesley Johnson, SF, Syracuse

"He has the ability to create off the dribble and can score in bunches. Wes is a guy who likes to get out and run, which is what we need to do. We want to be more of an up-tempo team, and he has an explosiveness you'd pay to see." --Kevin Love, Timberwolves, F

"DeMarcus Cousins is probably the better player, but I'm sure Kevin Love doesn't want any more competition in the paint than he already has. Johnson is a great fit, but I'm not sure he has the extra gear to become a superstar." --Chad Ford

5. Sacramento Kings | DeMarcus Cousins, C, Kentucky

"There's a lot of good guys out there at this spot in the draft. DeMarcus is big [6'11"] and built [292] and can run and rebound [9.9 a game last season]. Add him to our frontcourt, and we'll be ruling." --Tyreke Evans, Kings, G

"Cousins could be the Tyreke Evans of the draft. He's the most NBA ready freshman in the country and should have a major impact on day one for the Kings." --Chad Ford

6. Golden State Warriors | Greg Monroe, PF, Georgetown

"Given what he brings to the table, he'll fit right in with Don Nelson's style of play, and he'll be a good threat in the post." --Monta Ellis, Warriors, G

"It's true that Monroe would fit in Don Nelson's system. He's the best big man passer in the draft and quite versatile on the offensive end." --Chad Ford

7. Detroit Pistons | Cole Aldrich, C, Kansas

"We're looking for a good post player who can do a variety of things. Cole can play with his back to the basket, and on D he can clog up the middle, altering or blocking shots. Big men who can play both ends of the floor are a real plus." --DaJuan Summers, Pistons, F

"Unfortunately, DaJuan, while the Pistons have no one in the middle, they've shown virtually no interest in Aldrich up to this point." --Chad Ford

8. Los Angeles Clippers | Al-Farouq Aminu, SF, Wake Forest

"He's very athletic, and we have a young, athletic team. Rebounding [10.7 per, 12th in NCAA] is his strength, and I can see both of us as slashers to the rim. We don't really have a 3 right now, so he'd have a chance to start." --Eric Gordon, Clippers, G

"It's true that the Clippers don't have the 3. But the question on everyone's mind is whether Aminu is a 3 or a 4 trapped in a 3's body. If it's the latter, he's going to struggle." --Chad Ford

9. Utah Jazz | Ekpe Udoh, PF, Baylor

"Regardless of what happens with Carlos Boozer, we need a guy who can step in and block shots. Ekpe is one of the best in the draft (3.7 bpg, fifth in NCAA) and hopefully he'll be able to be molded into Coach Sloan's system." --Kyle Korver, Jazz, G

"Korver's a free agent, and if Monroe's not on the board, look for GM Kevin O'Connor to draft his replacement -- either Luke Babbitt, Gordon Hayward or Xavier Henry." --Chad Ford

10. Indiana Pacers | Ed Davis, PF, North Carolina

"He would add a dimension to our front line that would really help us." --Danny Granger, Pacers, F

"Can't disagree with Granger. The Pacers are painfully unathletic on their frontline and Davis is bouncy. But he's also not ready and, given the state of things in Indiana, that's a real problem." --Chad Ford

11. New Orleans Hornets | Hassan Whiteside, C, Marshall

"We're deep in the backcourt with Chris Paul, Marcus Thornton and myself, but we need to improve our interior depth. The guy is a legitimate seven-footer and a great shot blocker [5.4 bpg, first in NCAA]. And everyone knows you can't teach size." --Darren Collison, Hornets, G

"I hope Collison is willing to chaperone Whiteside for the next three years, because while his talent level is off the charts, his maturity level is off the charts in the other direction." --Chad Ford

12. Memphis Grizzlies | Xavier Henry, SG, Kansas

"That Henry is real nice. But he played only one year in college, so he's got a lot to learn." --Zach Randolph, Grizzlies, F

"Big men love players that can stretch the defense, and Henry is one of the best pure shooters in the draft." --Chad Ford

13. Toronto Raptors | Daniel Orton, PF/C, Kentucky

"I saw most of [Kentucky's] games. Daniel didn't get a lot of publicity because of all the other freshmen, but he did great when he played. I like his size and toughness. Look for him to make his mark on defense with boards and blocks." --DeMar DeRozan, Raptors, G

"The Raptors need a big man. The problem is they need a big man now, and Orton looks about three years away at this point." --Chad Ford

14. Houston Rockets | Eric Bledsoe, G, Kentucky

"He can give us depth at the point, because when our top guys were out last year, we had trouble bringing up the ball. But he can score and pass the basketball. Plus, the fact that he's from my school doesn't hurt. I'll take him under my wing." --Chuck Hayes, Rockets, C

"Bledsoe has been compared to a better version of Kyle Lowry, so I get the connection. But the Rockets want to win now, and Bledsoe may need a year or two to develop, which won't help matters." --Chad Ford

15. Milwaukee Bucks | Tiny Gallon, F, Oklahoma

"He's got good hands and footwork, rebounds well, and I love that he can finish. A guy like that makes it easier on any point guard." --Brandon Jennings, Bucks, G

"The Bucks really like Gallon ... but in the second round. I don't care how good of a point guard Jennings is, if he can't keep Gallon away from the buffet line, he's not going to make anything easier on Milwaukee." --Chad Ford

16. Minnesota Timberwolves | Paul George, SF, Fresno St.

"We need shooters who can stretch the D and open up the paint for our interior guys. We've been effective when our inside/outside game is on. That's why Paul would be a good fit for us." --Kevin Love, Timberwolves, F

"Apparently Love has been reading my mock draft. We've had George here for weeks. Pair him with Wesley Johnson and the Wolves go a long way toward solving their perimeter problems." --Chad Ford

17. Chicago Bulls | Derrick Caracter, PF, UTEP

"I know him, and I know how hard he has been working to get to the next level. His big body [6'9", 280] would be a great fit for the Bulls." --Joakim Noah, Bulls, C

"No way this happens. While Caracter is a talented low post player and has gotten himself back into shape, his shaky rep in college makes him a huge stretch this high in the draft." --Chad Ford

18. Miami Heat | Solomon Alabi, C, Florida St.

"Solomon played locally, so I've caught him on TV a bit. He's a true center [7'1", 237] who can run the floor, block shots, and has a better jump shot than he's given credit for. He'd be a great add, and he'd be playing close to where he went to school." --Daequan Cook, Heat, G

"If IQ really mattered in the NBA, Alabi would be the No. 1 pick in the draft; the guy is unbelievably smart. He probably should've been a physicist. I'm just not sure how being brilliant translates to success in the paint." --Chad Ford

19. Boston Celtics | Terrico White, Ole Miss, G

"He's a country boy, country strong. He's athletic, too -- a real Tyrus Thomas type." --Kendrick Perkins, Celtics, C

"'Country boy, country strong?' Terrico White? The softest two guard in the draft? The guy who never gets it to the rim? Maybe he meant Charmin boy, Charmin strong." --Chad Ford

20. San Antonio Spurs | Gordon Hayward, SF, Butler

"He's skilled, smart and plays hard. He is a proven winner who still has the potential to grow as a player. Plus, he brings valuable intangibles. He had to work to get to where he is, he hustles, he's got a winning attitude and makes winning plays." --Matt Bonner, Spurs, F

"I expect we'll see Hayward going significantly higher than No. 20 on draft night. But if he slipped this far to the Spurs, they'd be thrilled. He's tougher and more athletic than you think." --Chad Ford

21. Oklahoma City Thunder | James Anderson, SG, Oklahoma St.

"Although there are not a lot of wing minutes available here, we need more knock-down shooters to space the floor for our scorers. I saw him hit a ton of jump shots live against my Jayhawks this year in Stillwater." --Nick Collison, Thunder, F

"James Anderson's closest comp is James Harden, the guy the Thunder drafted last year with the No. 3 pick. I have a feeling they don't believe they need his clone." --Chad Ford

22. Portland Trail Blazers | Luke Babbitt, F, Nevada

"His shooting would help spread the floor for us, and that would be huge." --Joel Przybilla, Blazers, C

"The Blazers lost out on Hedo Turkoglu in free agency last summer. Babbitt can do some of the same things and is a steal this late in the draft." --Chad Ford

23. Minnesota Timberwolves | Jordan Crawford, SG, Xavier

"We're a team that could use some vets, so I don't know if we'll keep all three picks. But if we could get Jordan at 23 maybe we would. People still talk about that summer league dunk on LeBron. It was one play, but it shows he's got some good tools." --Kevin Love, Timberwolves, F

"Kevin Love knows his stuff. Crawford's the sleeper of the draft and, if you can't tell by now, Love would love a few more shooters to open up the floor for him. Dude's gonna be a GM someday." --Chad Ford

24. Atlanta Hawks | Quincy Pondexter, SF, Washington

"He's a mature player who has a great work ethic and leadership skills. I've played with him every summer since he started at U-Dub. He's insurance in case Joe Johnson isn't back with us." --Jamal Crawford, Hawks, G

"Pondexter is a great athlete, but he's not going to be able to replace Joe Johnson's sweet stroke from the perimeter. The guy can't shoot." --Chad Ford

25. Memphis Grizzlies | Devin Ebanks, SF, West Virginia

"He's a really solid player with good length, too. He'd be a good fit because he'd stretch the floor, opening up the inside for myself, Marc Gasol and Darrell Arthur." --Zach Randolph, Grizzlies, F

"The Grizzlies do need players who can stretch the floor, but Ebanks isn't one of them. The guy shot 10 percent from beyond the arc during his career at West Virginia." --Chad Ford

26. Oklahoma City Thunder | Damion James, SF, Texas

"You can never have enough guys who battle and compete. We could use some more size, but you can't take guys just because they look good on paper. I love his activity and how he prusues the ball off the board." --Nick Collison, Thunder, F

"James is a warrior. But when everyone describes you as a battler and no one can say exactly what basketball skill you have, you slip to this spot in the draft." --Chad Ford

27. New Jersey Nets | Patrick Patterson, PF, Kentucky

"He's a physical player who can rebound [7.4 per last season], and there's no doubt we could use some more of that. Plus, his shooting range [34.8 percent 3FG last season] means he'd fit nicely next to Brook [Lopez]." --Devin Harris, Nets, G

"Poor Patrick Patterson. He stays in school. Works on his game. Is a leader in the locker room and every GM (and apparently every player) is bored with him. Way too good to slide this far." --Chad Ford

28. Memphis Grizzlies | Sherron Collins, PG, Kansas

"He's a strong guard. Strong body, strong mind. He's good at penetrating the lane, drawing defenders and passing to teammates. He's a guy who likes to get everybody involved, which is just what you want from a point guard." --Zach Randolph, Grizzlies, F

"Collins struggled with weight and conditioning issues his entire career at Kansas. Perhaps Randolph, who lost a lot of weight prior to this first season with the Grizzlies, can show him how to keep it off." --Chad Ford

29. Orlando Magic | Dominique Jones, SG, South Florida

"You always want guys with a knack for filling up the basket, and that's something Jones [11 25-point outings last season] can do. I'm sure we'll be put over the edge by our pick. Once he learns the pro game, DJ is a guy who could help keep us there." --Jameer Nelson, Magic, G

"So the Magic get blasted in the Eastern Conference finals and it's the 29th pick in the draft that puts them over the edge. I like Dominique Jones, but he couldn't put South Florida into the tournament. I don't think he's the catalyst that delivers Orlando the ring." --Chad Ford

30. Washington Wizards | Stanley Robinson, F, Connecticut

"The look of our team is changing. We're getting younger, so Stan's a good fit. Like me, he can play both forward spots, so he's going to be in a lot of lineups. With the additions of Wall and Robinson the Wizards will have helped themselves in a big way." --Andray Blatche, Wizards, F

"At No. 30 you might as well swing for the fences, right Andray? If Robinson ever gets confidence and a jump shot, he has the physical tools to be a star." --Chad Ford

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NBA draft confidential

in our confidential survey of 30 likely draftees, Wall is the clear No. 1. [...]

Who is the draft's best player?

The vast majority -- 60% -- picked Wall. Three players (10%) couldn't believe we had the audacity to inquire: "Well, of course it's John Wall." Duh. Others talked about his game: "Real good point guard who can run and lead a team." Still others seemed to just plain like him: "He's a good guy. John's not someone who is just potential." Projected top-fiver Evan Turner was the only other player named more than once, getting eight votes (26.7%).

Which NBA player do you most want to dunk on?

This one wasn't even close. LeBron and Shaq tied for second at 20%. But the winner for most desired-to-dunk-upon ... Dwight Howard, who earned 35% of the vote. Most players wanted to slam on the NBA's reigning Defensive Player of the Year. Others just wanted to slam Howard. "He bullies people," says one likely second-rounder.

Which team had the toughest workout?

One-third of respondents had Heat fatigue. As in, Pat Riley and the Miami brass hosted the toughest run (and run-again) throughs. "It's like a track workout. Everything's full-court, one-on-ones, two-on-twos, three-on-threes," says one out-of-breath early entrant. At the other end of the spectrum, 21.4% of players thanked Chicago for the league's easiest workout.

When was your first contact with an agent?

"They reach out to you on Facebook, Twitter, games -- random guys literally coming out of corners," said a player who was part of the 90% contacted before their eligibility was complete. "I was walking off my college practice floor one day, and this guy with a black leather jacket handed me his card and said to call him. It was like out of a movie."

What is more of a grind, recruiting by colleges or evaluations by NBA teams?

More than three-quarters (76.7%) went with the pros. A common sentiment? "Every time you work out for NBA teams, you're trying to show them your best," said one guard on the lottery bubble. "Coming out of high school, colleges were trying to show you their best."

What traits or skills do scouts underrate the most?

Players had 12 different answers, but No. 1 was résumé. "It's easier to get drafted on potential than achievements," said one Tourney veteran. As for most overrated, 23.3% named size/wingspan. "It's just measurements," said a likely lottery pick who happens to have impressive measurements.

Who's the draft's most overrated player?

Scouts see Daniel Orton's springy 6'10", 260-pound frame and envision Kendrick Perkins. But his peers look at the ex-Kentucky player and see a frosh who had zero starts and saw just 13.2 minutes per game. Said one of the 20% who tabbed Orton as most overrated: "Top 20? Come on. He came off the bench for a good college team!"

How many agents did you meet with?

Three players met with only one agent. One prospect met with 10 agents, and three more interviewed eight agents each. The final tally: The average interview process involved 4.2 suits per sweat suit. How did the rooks make their final choices? Nine said they chose an agent they felt comfortable with. Five said they based their decision on who connected best with their families. And four more cited trust as the No. 1 factor.

On a scale of 10 (1 being incredibly fun; 10 being incredibly not fun), how would you rate the draft process?

With an average rating of 4.8, most players said the draft evaluation process is more enjoyable than excruciating. But, those who didn't like it were a lot more vocal. "This is hard as hell," said a center who gave the process an eight. "You don't know where you're going to end up, and you have no control over it."

Who's your dream team to be picked by?

Sure, many rooks (11.7%) want the Lakers to hand them a jersey. But the team most named was the Spurs, with 16.7% of the vote. Respondents point to tradition, Gregg Popovich (one of five coaches in NBA history with four league titles) and playing with 12-time All-Star Tim Duncan. "I want to go somewhere I can learn," says one great college big man. The nightmare team? The Bucks. Explains a projected second-rounder: "They're young, but they always seem young."

 

[Mahoney_jr]

An dieser Stelle mal ein nichts zur Diskussion beitragendes, fettes Danke an die fleißige Berichterstattung, e_m. Für jemanden wie mich, der dem Draft bis Dienstag kaum Aufmerksamkeit gewidmet hat, eine überaus praktische Sache.

Thx! :thumb:

 

[Ichabod]

kevin pritchard ist mal wieder mit dem geldkoffer auf pickjagd :kgz:

The Portland Trail Blazers have acquired the 34th overall pick in the 2010 NBA Draft from the Golden State Warriors in exchange for the 44th overall selection and cash considerations, it was announced today by General Manager Kevin Pritchard. The Trail Blazers now hold the 22nd and 34th overall picks in Thursday’s NBA Draft.

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