Weltcupfinale Planica 23.3. - 26.3.17

[yeti]

453.6 The start order will be based on reverse order of the actual World Cup standing.
By equal point standings will the start order be made by draw in team
captains' meeting between the equal placed teams. Teams without World
Cup points start in the beginning of the competition. The start order must be
made by draw.

http://www.fis-ski.com/mm/Document/.../03/19/96/ICRSkiJumping2016_clean_English.pdf

According to the penultimate sentence KAZ should be able and allowed to take part in the competition.

But if I remember correctly, I have never seen a team competition with more than 12 teams.

Strange...

 

[Stefan821]

In Falun 2015 i think these are 13 teams. But maybe there are different rules in Worldcup compared to World Championships.

 

[sj441]

Klingenthal 2013: 14 teams

https://data.fis-ski.com/dynamic/results.html?sector=JP&raceid=3860

BTW: This year Kazakhstan participated in Oslo.

 

[MK23 - skiimport]

Maybe only 12 best teams in Nations Cup are allowed to start...(if more than 12 are present at competition site)

 

[Kirsten]

I've checked the rules for worldcups in skijumping and I couldn't find any rules concerning a maximum for teams in a team competition. As said before, there's a minimum of eight teams but no other limitation

 

[blackswan]

maybe there's some special rule for skiFLYING competitions? :ueberleg:

 

[MK23 - skiimport]

I think record number of teams was 17, in World Championships 1987 in Oberstdorf...but ofc 2 Germanies were at start

 

[Kirsten]

If this is the case, the rules are not linked in the rules section on fisski.com

But on the other hand, it's kind of strange, that KAZ does not start in the team comps

 

[sj441]

As I said before there were only three jumpers from KAZ in Planica.
In Vikersund there were four - but I think they felt overchallenged there during the training and the qualification round on Friday. It's not great fun to jump about 100 or 110 meters in Vikersund.

 

[Kirsten]

Dann ist halt die Frage, warum sie im TCM 4 melden und dann doch nur 3 starten lassen

 

[EyTschej]

Das wäre doch ausnahmsweise mal eine interessante Frage für #fraghanni oder wie auch immer: Was ist mit Karpenko? Denn der ist ja offenbar gemeldet, aber nicht am Start. Vielleicht krank geworden? Wenn ein Springer gemeldet ist, aber nicht startet, würde ich mir das eigentlich jedesmal als journalistische Pflicht erwarten, dass man sich schlau macht, warum einer nicht am Start ist.

 

[Brigadier]

Das wäre doch ausnahmsweise mal eine interessante Frage für #fraghanni oder wie auch immer: Was ist mit Karpenko? Denn der ist ja offenbar gemeldet, aber nicht am Start. Vielleicht krank geworden? Wenn ein Springer gemeldet ist, aber nicht startet, würde ich mir das eigentlich jedesmal als journalistische Pflicht erwarten, dass man sich schlau macht, warum einer nicht am Start ist.

Hab ich mal gemacht. Wenn was kommt, schrei ich.

 

[Mario]

Karpenko war nie da und Marat hatte am 1. Abend wieder 3. Promille. Deswegen kein Team.

 

[Stefan821]

Karpenko war nie da und Marat hatte am 1. Abend wieder 3. Promille. Deswegen kein Team.

Letztes Jahr den Radik untern Tisch getrunken und dieses Jahr den Marat.

 

[sj441]

Startliste für morgen:

http://medias1.fis-ski.com/pdf/2017/JP/3945/2017JP3945SLR1.pdf

Statt Freund und Kofler springen Ziobro (31.) und Lanisek (34.).

 

[MK23 - skiimport]

Another 'interesting' fact about Stoch's record...

In Harrachov 2011 Ammann jumped 215.5m and obviously fell :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmqTYsKZO4c

But still in official results, jump was not counted as fall. It got notes

12.5 / 15.0 / 14.0 / 14.0 / 12.5

and at the end of the results it clearly states 'falls - 0'

http://medias1.fis-ski.com/pdf/2011/JP/3012/2011JP3012RL.pdf

However, it was not recognized as a official hill record, as stated in results from Harrachov 2014 (as a record holder Morgenstern is mentioned - 214.5m, year 2008)

http://medias1.fis-ski.com/pdf/2014/JP/3806/2014JP3806RL.pdf

Same thing goes for Ammann's record at Vikersund this year - 239.5m, officially it was not counted as a fall.

While Vassiliev's 254m two years ago was counted as a fall in official results.

So, in my point of view, unless the rules will be written clearly about this, there is no much sense in counting hill records anyway.

 

[EyTschej]

Maybe it's only counted as a fall when more than the hands are in the snow. Talk about "Fünfpunktlandung". Vassiliev also hit the snow (very hard) with his head.

 

[PC_principal]

A good find. It's quite possible that they made a mistake in this list,, because according to the official rules they give -7 for a fall and -4 for touching the snow. I believe the judges recognized this as a fall because he used his hand to hold his body, while for example Stoch or Kraft in Vikarsund (if he really touched the snow, well this is still quite controversial) could hold up the mass of his body with his feet. A borderline decision for sure...

If Amman's jump is not a fall it should be the hill record, maybe we should send a claim to the FIS :hihi:

I couldn't find anything official regarding hill record in the rules, just that there must not be any rewards for records.

 

[Skispringen4Fan]

Ich habe wirklich nichts gegen Kamil, aber so ein eindeutiger Sturz darf eigentlich nicht als Schanzenrekord gelten. Die Punkterichter hatten ja mal völlig Tomaten auf den AUgen

https://www.facebook.com/theothersi...618202980359/1400362890039214/?type=3&theater

 

[EyTschej]

Ich habe wirklich nichts gegen Kamil, aber so ein eindeutiger Sturz darf eigentlich nicht als Schanzenrekord gelten. Die Punkterichter hatten ja mal völlig Tomaten auf den AUgen

https://www.facebook.com/theothersi...618202980359/1400362890039214/?type=3&theater

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