ich kanns mir einfach nich vorstellen, dass die suns das machen, erstmal wird porter raus geschickt. Oder sie wollen den lakers eben eins auswischen
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ich kanns mir einfach nich vorstellen, dass die suns das machen, erstmal wird porter raus geschickt. Oder sie wollen den lakers eben eins auswischen
so endlich des nächste update vom insider (klingt nicht gut ...vor allem nicht nachdem was er gestern geschrieben hat aber dead is der deal noch lange nicht, ich bleibe optimistisch):
"OK, First off, my apologies for saying I would think I would be back here around the 3pm time frame today ...never should have even mentioned a given time knowing I had a precarious travel schedule.
I've been able to get some more information that should clarify, to an extent, where the Cavs stand right now. It's been made very clear by the team to try and keep expectations low in regards to potential trade options. No team likes to deal under these circumstances, but, of course when you have a trade deadline that coincides with an All Star weekend, and you happen to have one of the biggest and best player's in the game's name being tossed around in trade talks, it's kind of hard to keep the excitability of the league's fanbase in check.
But, try I will do, to basically give you guys some understanding of where I see the Suns mindset, the Cavs mindset, and Amare's mindset in the here and now.
I know we have lot of people coming out of the woodwork saying handshake deals have been done and so forth. Nothing inregards to the Suns and Cavs has been done as of now. Danny Ferry has made an offer to Steve Kerr, and he's also gone outside just the two teams, and has been working on getting a third team involved as well, to be able to give the Suns and Kerr some more creative options as well.
But, in talking to most all of the higher ups with the team, you get the feeling that they really don't feel that when all is said and done, we will have the strongest offer that the Suns will ultimately get. In a way, I sense the Cavs heirarchy is doing what I and almost all of our fans are doing ....we're trying not to set ourselves up for the ultimate letdown if ...if it doesn't end up materializing and we don't end up landing Amare.
I will say this, though. For the Suns, it's not all about this trade looking good n the surface as far as getting equitable talent back for the given asset. That's why it's hard to gage how we really stack up in the minds of the Suns. You see, the Suns see value, at this point, as salary fexibility. The more flexible they ultimately end up being in the long run, will outweigh fctors such as getting a percieved higher value back in player assets.
As it stands right now, it appears that we have a two horse race with the Cavs and the Bulls. More teams are expected ..anticipated to be looking into some offers as well. The Cavaliers want to keep the trade simple. We don't want to get ito scenarios that include multitudes of players going back and forth from differing teams rosters. We want as minimal a transition of players as possible, so that we don't have to go throug anything close to what we did last year at the deadline.
We want to keep it the nubers down, and keep our team chemistry in tact as much as possible. If, when other offers come in, what we have out there isn't good enough and would require us to begin shaking up our roster to a greater degree, I expect we would then look elsewhere.
What we've been doing more of today is basically handling the issues outside of Phoenix. We;'re looking at alternatives that would work for us if the Phoenix deal doesn't end up materializing for us.
Basically, we're hadging our bets. We're putting together alternative plans of attack as well. We aren't going to put all our eggs into this one basket and sink or swim with it, we've got to be prepared for whatever happens, and we are.
For those that have been here for the longterm at RCF, we've been talking through all the possible scenarios for months now. You all know exactly what I'm talking about in terms of what we are looking for and the possiblities as well that I have outlined in the past. What I'm saying here and now is, the STAT rumors and talks haven't changed our perceptions of the other options that also can be at our disposal.
I know we've gotten alot of talk out of the front office that we are content with our team, and that we would be happy to move forward with the team intact, and to an extent that is 100% truth. But, fans aren't fools either ...they know that we're talking and looking for ways to improve our team, and we are.
Just so happens we have alot of options available to us right now, we do have a priority of which ones we like the best, scaled down to the least favorable. I think it's safe to say that if what we have offered to Phoenix turns out to be ammanable to them, then that is the route we are going to ultimately take.
But, Steve Kerr and Danny Ferry have a strong longterm relationship and that counts for something here as well, in my book. I expect that they've talked all isues and cicumstances through. A timetable exists where we both need to know ultimately where we stand and if we can get something together between us, we will, and of not ...then we will move on at that point to other options that are available to us.
Phoenix holds the cards as far as their timetable, but, I also feel very confident that whether the Amare trade goes through between the Cavs and Suns or not, we have enough alternative plans in place that the Cavs will now be able to quickly go to one of their fallback plans and get something accomplished postively before the deadline."
...vor allem nicht nachdem was er gestern geschrieben hat aber dead is der deal noch lange nicht, ich bleibe optimistisch):"OK, First off, my apologies for saying I would think I would be back here around the 3pm time frame today ...never should have even mentioned a given time knowing I had a precarious travel schedule.
I've been able to get some more information that should clarify, to an extent, where the Cavs stand right now. It's been made very clear by the team to try and keep expectations low in regards to potential trade options. No team likes to deal under these circumstances, but, of course when you have a trade deadline that coincides with an All Star weekend, and you happen to have one of the biggest and best player's in the game's name being tossed around in trade talks, it's kind of hard to keep the excitability of the league's fanbase in check.
But, try I will do, to basically give you guys some understanding of where I see the Suns mindset, the Cavs mindset, and Amare's mindset in the here and now.
I know we have lot of people coming out of the woodwork saying handshake deals have been done and so forth. Nothing inregards to the Suns and Cavs has been done as of now. Danny Ferry has made an offer to Steve Kerr, and he's also gone outside just the two teams, and has been working on getting a third team involved as well, to be able to give the Suns and Kerr some more creative options as well.
But, in talking to most all of the higher ups with the team, you get the feeling that they really don't feel that when all is said and done, we will have the strongest offer that the Suns will ultimately get. In a way, I sense the Cavs heirarchy is doing what I and almost all of our fans are doing ....we're trying not to set ourselves up for the ultimate letdown if ...if it doesn't end up materializing and we don't end up landing Amare.
I will say this, though. For the Suns, it's not all about this trade looking good n the surface as far as getting equitable talent back for the given asset. That's why it's hard to gage how we really stack up in the minds of the Suns. You see, the Suns see value, at this point, as salary fexibility. The more flexible they ultimately end up being in the long run, will outweigh fctors such as getting a percieved higher value back in player assets.
As it stands right now, it appears that we have a two horse race with the Cavs and the Bulls. More teams are expected ..anticipated to be looking into some offers as well. The Cavaliers want to keep the trade simple. We don't want to get ito scenarios that include multitudes of players going back and forth from differing teams rosters. We want as minimal a transition of players as possible, so that we don't have to go throug anything close to what we did last year at the deadline.
We want to keep it the nubers down, and keep our team chemistry in tact as much as possible. If, when other offers come in, what we have out there isn't good enough and would require us to begin shaking up our roster to a greater degree, I expect we would then look elsewhere.
What we've been doing more of today is basically handling the issues outside of Phoenix. We;'re looking at alternatives that would work for us if the Phoenix deal doesn't end up materializing for us.
Basically, we're hadging our bets. We're putting together alternative plans of attack as well. We aren't going to put all our eggs into this one basket and sink or swim with it, we've got to be prepared for whatever happens, and we are.
For those that have been here for the longterm at RCF, we've been talking through all the possible scenarios for months now. You all know exactly what I'm talking about in terms of what we are looking for and the possiblities as well that I have outlined in the past. What I'm saying here and now is, the STAT rumors and talks haven't changed our perceptions of the other options that also can be at our disposal.
I know we've gotten alot of talk out of the front office that we are content with our team, and that we would be happy to move forward with the team intact, and to an extent that is 100% truth. But, fans aren't fools either ...they know that we're talking and looking for ways to improve our team, and we are.
Just so happens we have alot of options available to us right now, we do have a priority of which ones we like the best, scaled down to the least favorable. I think it's safe to say that if what we have offered to Phoenix turns out to be ammanable to them, then that is the route we are going to ultimately take.
But, Steve Kerr and Danny Ferry have a strong longterm relationship and that counts for something here as well, in my book. I expect that they've talked all isues and cicumstances through. A timetable exists where we both need to know ultimately where we stand and if we can get something together between us, we will, and of not ...then we will move on at that point to other options that are available to us.
Phoenix holds the cards as far as their timetable, but, I also feel very confident that whether the Amare trade goes through between the Cavs and Suns or not, we have enough alternative plans in place that the Cavs will now be able to quickly go to one of their fallback plans and get something accomplished postively before the deadline."
http://www.ohio.com/sports/39604792.html
des sind paar zitate aus nem interview, welches amare heute gegeben hat:
''I think something might happen. I don't know about Chicago, I don't know about Cleveland, but any team I go to I'd like it to be a contender,'' Stoudemire said.
Asked if he would be a fit in Cleveland, Stoudemire said: ''Why not? Are you kidding me? I play with LeBron with USA Basketball; it's a great combination.''
ich würde nicht sagen das man chicago als contender bezeichnen kann die fallen meiner meinung nach somit raus...
des sind paar zitate aus nem interview, welches amare heute gegeben hat:
''I think something might happen. I don't know about Chicago, I don't know about Cleveland, but any team I go to I'd like it to be a contender,'' Stoudemire said.
Asked if he would be a fit in Cleveland, Stoudemire said: ''Why not? Are you kidding me? I play with LeBron with USA Basketball; it's a great combination.''
ich würde nicht sagen das man chicago als contender bezeichnen kann die fallen meiner meinung nach somit raus...
trotzdem bin ich mir ziemlich sicher das amare lieber für die cavs spielen würde als für irgendein durschnittsteam wie die bulls (die imo nich mal auf nem playoff rang liegen)...
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Aus Amarés Sicht wäre ein Trade mit den Cavs sicher eine gute Sache, sofern er es akzeptiert, nicht das Aushängeschild des Clubs zu sein.
Aber ob die Suns darauf eingehen, ist nochmals eine andere Frage. Bleibt zu hoffen, dass gar nicht viele Teams mitbieten und somit die Cavs das am wenig schlechteste Angebot machen.
Aber ob die Suns darauf eingehen, ist nochmals eine andere Frage. Bleibt zu hoffen, dass gar nicht viele Teams mitbieten und somit die Cavs das am wenig schlechteste Angebot machen.
Was schon allein daran liegt, dass man lediglich für ihn tradet wenn er auch eine Vertragsverlängerung unterschreibt. Somit kann er selbst praktisch jeden Trade blockieren auf den er keine Lust hat bzw der ihn zu einem Lottery Team schicken würde.
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Was aber auch in Cleveland auf lange Sicht nicht gesichert ist. Wäre witzig, wenn er kommen würde und Lebron dann 2010 die fliege macht...
was ich bisher gelesen habe ist für amare die voraussetzung das er kommt das lebron ihm zusichert in cleveland zu bleiben...bin echt mal gespannt was morgen so passiert es deutet viel daraufhin das wir morgen schon nen deal sehen werden.
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Naja was heisst schon morgen. Es sind nur noch 3 Tage Zeit. Bis Mittwoch müsste das über die Bühne gelaufen sein.
Aber wie gesagt, ich halte es für sehr sehr unwahrscheinlich, dass da was passiert. Es wird zu viel darüber berichtet. Das Durchsickern von Informationen, erscheint etwas zu unprofessionell.
Aber wie gesagt, ich halte es für sehr sehr unwahrscheinlich, dass da was passiert. Es wird zu viel darüber berichtet. Das Durchsickern von Informationen, erscheint etwas zu unprofessionell.
Die Cavs sollen an Camby dran sein...
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57260/20090215/cavs_interested_in_camby/
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57260/20090215/cavs_interested_in_camby/
John Dunbar
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Richtig. Camby wäre eine Verstärkung, aber keine, die so signifikant ist, dass man damit auf LAs Level kommt. L-Train hat mir jetzt den Mund wässrig gemacht, ich will Stoudemire
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Ja, das wäre schon ein Ding. Dann wäre man ein "richtiger" Contender und hätte bis im April auch noch genug Zeit, Amaré einzugliedern.
Problamatisch wäre allerdings, dass unsere Defense leiden würde. Big Ben ist zwar längst nicht mehr so furchteinflössend, wie er das früher mal war, doch seine Defense ist schon noch um einiges besser als die von Amaré.
Aber darüber können wir uns ja noch Gedanken machen, wenn er dann auch tatsächlich da ist.
Überraschend ist für mich, dass es keine Gerüchte über Chris Bosh gibt. Den würde ich noch lieber in Cleveland sehen. Aber man soll es ja nicht übertreiben.
Problamatisch wäre allerdings, dass unsere Defense leiden würde. Big Ben ist zwar längst nicht mehr so furchteinflössend, wie er das früher mal war, doch seine Defense ist schon noch um einiges besser als die von Amaré.
Aber darüber können wir uns ja noch Gedanken machen, wenn er dann auch tatsächlich da ist.
Überraschend ist für mich, dass es keine Gerüchte über Chris Bosh gibt. Den würde ich noch lieber in Cleveland sehen. Aber man soll es ja nicht übertreiben.
Finde ich überhaupt nicht überraschend. Ich denke die Raptors haben Marion nicht nur geholt, weil er einen auslaufenden Vertrag hat, sondern weil sie noch einmal einen Anlauf machen wollen, endlich den Weg in die Erfolgsspur zu finden. In dieser Saison wird es aus meiner Sicht zu keinen Trade kommen, wo Bosh involviert ist.
John Dunbar
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Ich denke, durch den Coach Wechsel in Phoenix kann man sich den Amare-Trade endgültig aus dem Kopf schlagen. Schätze, es passiert jetzt gar nichts mehr.
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Schade, aber so ist es wohl. Für mich sehr überraschend, dass der Wally-Vertrag nicht genutzt wurde. Es wäre schon schade, wenn man ihn einfach auslaufen lassen würde. Die Cavs liegen ja schon so weit über dem Cap, dass diese 13 Mio., die man sparen würde, sportlich keinen weiteren Spielraum geben würden. Es zeugte vor allem nicht wirklich davon, dass man LeBron wirklich halten will.
Würde mich interessieren, ob das Management überhaupt versucht hat, Wally gegen einen potenziellen Allstar einzutauschen. Ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass es keine Interessen gegeben hätte.
Würde mich interessieren, ob das Management überhaupt versucht hat, Wally gegen einen potenziellen Allstar einzutauschen. Ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass es keine Interessen gegeben hätte.