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I don't believe that. Finnjumping will intervene, if there will not be enough success, but they have probably not done it yet. Finnjumping has little reason to keep Harri out. And if they would have wanted that, Harri would not have been let to jump at Sapporo and Nikkola not to tell positive things about Harri. They could have easily just suspend Harri for the year or something, but association has not formally punished Harri at all. Niemelä just kicked him out of the team. First because of the behavioural, commitment and motivational reasons, then story changed to not being in the good enough shape.
Ounasvaara is also still supporting Harri and they have a lot of power in Finnjumping. It is very doubtful, that they would want to keep Harri out.
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Aber es macht auch keinen Sinn, wenn der Verband und Pekka sich angeblich so uneinig sind. Wenn der Verband Harri Hoffnungen macht, obwohl sie wissen, dass pekka Harri nie wieder ins team holen wird. Das passt einfach alles vorne und hinten nicht zusammen
When you hire a manager or coach, you give them freedom. It doesn't work so, that you intervene for every little thing. To intervene to coach choice of athletes is really the last straw. You first let him show, that his way works. And if Matti, Rane and Havu all do well, it will work well enough.
Of course situation is totally unfair for Harri, who can not even know, if there will be any point to continue his career, because no one tells, if he is totally out of the national team forever no matter what, or not. He is let to hang on the loose rope indefinitely in case he may be needed again. And until he has ended his career, he can not tell his side of the story or defend himself in public at all. And everything Niemelä says about him, is interpreted as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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Ich versichere dir, dass es in Frankreich genau so war. Der Verband bzw der Chef haben pekka gesagt, wer im Team zu sein hat und wer nicht. hier war Binet (Pierre-Emmanuel Robe) der böse. Einmal zu viel den Mund aufgemacht und schon war der Verband absolut gegen ihn. Binet hat immer wieder Normen erfüllt (als einziger Junior), war teilweise besser als Manu oder Vince, aber der Verband hat Pekka "verboten", ihn mitzunehmen... Also nicht so unwahrscheinlich, dass hinter dem ganzen auch in Finnland teilweise der Verband steckt
Doesn't work like that it Finland. There has been few times at the past association has intervened and it has always been considered the scandal. And anyway, there is not that kind of situation in Finnjumping that they would have this one strong character who could dictate things or that they would even be able to agree about almost anything. And the second powerfulest person in Finnjumping is one of Hapa's old supporters anyway...
danii85
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Sami is Jahrgang '91 - also noch ein Jahr juenger als Ville Larinto
Die haben nach Zako nur noch 5 Plätze? Wenn Muotka oder Koivuranta nochn paar Punkte in Zako machen haut das doch wieder hin mit 6. Oder ist es schon soweit, dass Kalles Punkte verfallen?
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Havu muss jetzt noch mal in den MRT. Sollte da mit dem Knie alles klar sein steigt er in Willingen wieder ein. Hoffentlich gibt es keine bösen Ueberaschungen. Aber schön zu sehen das er doch so geduldig ist. Passt ja eigentlich nicht so zu ihm. 
I just saw Monday's Iltalehti today. Niemelä being his very inconsistent self again. ffft:
He had given those comments at Sunday. He told, that he was disappointed with Harri's competitions, but there was also positive and he is very near to give Harri a new chance. That it all depends if Havu will be able to jump at Zakopane. If he can, Harri will not have any more chances. If Havu can't jump at Zako, Harri will get a chance at Zako. Then next day, after it came clear that Havu would not jump at Zako, Niemelä had apparently changed his mind and left Harri out, because Sami Niemi had won a Finnjumping Cup competition.
I'm surprised that even Iltalehti had not (yet) picked this up. But Pekka is really making himself sound ridiculous and total hypocrite. And if guys don't start to jump much better very soon, it will probably come and bite his ass hard. :duck:
ffft:He had given those comments at Sunday. He told, that he was disappointed with Harri's competitions, but there was also positive and he is very near to give Harri a new chance. That it all depends if Havu will be able to jump at Zakopane. If he can, Harri will not have any more chances. If Havu can't jump at Zako, Harri will get a chance at Zako. Then next day, after it came clear that Havu would not jump at Zako, Niemelä had apparently changed his mind and left Harri out, because Sami Niemi had won a Finnjumping Cup competition.
I'm surprised that even Iltalehti had not (yet) picked this up. But Pekka is really making himself sound ridiculous and total hypocrite. And if guys don't start to jump much better very soon, it will probably come and bite his ass hard. :duck:
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Sich auf den Finnjumping Cup zu berufen find ich mehr als duenn. Was war denn das fuer eine Konkurenz die Niemi da hatte? Sämtliche Top-Springer haben gefehlt. Wenns fuer Harri keine Chance mehr gibt soll mans klar sagen und nicht immer wieder hinten rum Ausfluechte suchen. Und so stellt es sich ja nun immer deutlicher dar.
Wenns fuer Harri keine Chance mehr gibt soll mans klar sagen und nicht immer wieder hinten rum Ausfluechte suchen. Und so stellt es sich ja nun immer deutlicher dar.So wie von Harri immer wieder "gutes Benehmen" gefordert wird, so sollte man sich auch gegenüber ihm nun anständig benehmen und ihm auch klar sagen, was Sache ist. Dieses ganze Gerede hintenrum ist echt nicht schön und auch nicht fair meiner Meinung nach.
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Langsam klingen die BegrĂĽndungen wirklich komisch... Fands ja schon unlogisch jemanden aus einem Team auszuschliessen, in dem er aufgrund seiner Leistung gar nicht drin ist, aber okay. Dann stellt man Regeln auf, Nikkola etc. sind zufrieden (und er hat sich wirklich MĂĽhe gegeben, zumindest hab ich ihn so wie in Engelberg noch gar nie erlebt, selbst nach der Disqualifikation) und es hilft auch nichts. Das soll verstehen wer will http://www.skispringen-com-forum.com/Forum/images/smilies/Smileys/wand.gif Weiss denn jemand ob Hapa mindestens in COCs weiterspringt??
Don't forget the part, there Harri certainly was not back at National team. And was certainly not treated any different than anyone else. Just jumping at Sapporo WC like all the other COC jumping Finns, who would also jump week before COC Sapporo. And there would also be the few National team jumpers, who would come along to WC Sapporo. And this story Niemelä was telling at the same morning on the same day they at the afternoon told, that COC Sapporo team would include Harri and... well, no one else.
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I'm afraid that Löde was so burnt out after two years of catastrophic finances, media pressure and catastrophes, airports and at least a year trying to act as a kindergarten teacher between his childishly brawling and passive-aggressive team that he would not touch the coaching of the Finnish team with a ten-foot pole. And no one can blame him :zunge2:
But I do hope, that Pekka takes his head out of his ass, faces the reality (he was also yesterday saying how this has been the most successful season for the Finnish team in years and how promising everything is) and starts to work with what he has, and not what he wished he had. Because unfortunately for him, even for the next year he will not have six carbon copies of Ville Larinto. He may have one Ville, if everything goes well with the recovery. He will probably not have his old war horses Matti and Rane. And he has to go by with mainly Happonen, Koivuranta, Olli, Muotka, Keituri and Niemi. And he better start to come along with personal coaches and communicate with them. He may want the system, there national team coaches are in much more important roles than personal coaches for the jumpers, but that is a change that will take at least many years, if even possible. No can do.
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yeti
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@Kirsten: Wer fragt heutzutage noch die Arbeitnehmer? Das wird jetzt einfach so gemacht! Punkt Aus!
danii85
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True? omg..