Original geschrieben von Daniel-MrBoxing
A few points concerning the Beyer - Green result and the current rules.
First you must know that the WBC has an automatic point deduction of 1 point for the uncut boxer when there is an accidental headbutt. This rule does not apply in the US.
Second, the round in which a fight is stopped is also scored.
The WBC has a technical draw if the bout is stopped before the start of the 5th (NOT the end of the 4th) due to an accidental headbutt. This was not the case here as the 5th started.
If the fight is stopped after a deliberate headbutt then the opponent is disqualified (whatever round it is). In that case they never go to the scorecards. There is a 2 point deduction in case the fight can go on.
You all noticed (except the blind among us) that the referee acknowledged the following things during the fight.
Accidental butt in round 2 (thus -1 for green). Accidental butt early in round 5 (thus again -1 for green). And at the end of the fight he deducted 2 points (which means that the referee judged it as deliberate headbutt by green).
If we score the 5 rounds we have.1st round 10-8 green, 2nd round 10-8 green, 3rd round 10-9 green, 4th round 10-9 Beyer, 5th round (until the stoppage) 10-9 Beyer.
So the points situation at the stoppage was 48 Green - 45 Beyer. Deduct the 1,1 and 2 points (=4 points) from the Green score (48) it is 44 Green - 45 Beyer.
In any case they would NOT go to the scorecards because it was ruled a deliberate headbutt (as he deducted -2 points) by the referee.
In case the referee would have ruled it again accidental (for the 3rd time then and the 2nd time in the 5th round. How many times would you rule it "accidental"...) then they would have gone to the scorecards and the result would have been 48-3=45 green - 45 Beyer. It would have been a draw and Beyer would have kept his title anyway.
Moral of the fight. It was Green who lost the fight due to his unbehaviour and Beyer was lucky to keep it. If green would have kept his composure it would have been stopped shortly later and he would have been the new WBC champion.
That's too easy a way to get rid of all doubts and criticism.
You say: ¡f a fight is stopped after a deliberate head butt, then the opponent is disqualified¨. That is very vague. What do you mean? If the fight is stopped because a fighter can't continue DUE to a deliberate head butt? When? Right away? Because the fighter stepped on his eye after the head butt and couldn't continue? If that's the case, then this certainly does not apply here since the cut was NOT caused by the head butt.
You say there's a two-point deduction if the fight can go on. (after a fighter is CUT after a deliberate head butt) This eliminates the second comment above right away. The Ref thought it could go on, so we GO on and deduct two points. Agreed. WC-9 and WC-32 are very important in this case. The Ref CAN take the advise of the Doctor to stop the fight. The Ref deducted the two points because the Doctor signaled the Ref that the fight could go on. Something he admitted in an interview. So far you can't criticize the Ref.(if you believe in the story of the cut.) It's not up to the boxer OR his corner to decide whether or not they can continue. Well, they COULD, but then they simply lose by TKO. They can¡¦t just quit and tell the Ref to stop the fight. So the fight was supposed to go on with the blessing of both the Doctor AND the Ref. Only after being under huge fire from all sides, they switched plans. Never ever did I see a Doctor, who¡¦s supposed to be there for BOTH parties, enter into a heated debate about IF they should go to the scorecards or not, or if the fight should go on or not. He is supposed to advice the Ref, and after that he needs to SHUT UP and leave the decision to the Ref, as he is the ONLY one that can stop the fight.
WC-32 a) Intentional head butt. When a cut is caused by an intentional head butt, and the cut boxer is unable to continue, the offending boxer will lose by disqualification. If the cut boxer is able to continue, the butting boxer will be penalized two (2) points.
Now, was the cut CAUSED by the head butt? No it was NOT and there's simply no discussion possible in regards to that. So there the Ref was terribly wrong IMHO (see below) Because if there's NO cut involved after an intentional head butt, WC-32 does not even apply. That means you go to WC-34: FOULS. What does it say?
All fouls recognized by boxing authorities shall be penalized by warnings from the referee and point deduction(s), at the discretion of the referee, after two warnings (OOPS!!!)
What more do I need to say? It¡'s just that the Ref made the terrible mistake (and video footage proves it) that he thought the cut was caused by the intentional head butt. (that's why he deducted the two points as well, so he KNEW the rules after all) But that¡¦s ok, shit happens. Let's continue and just look at WC-32.
Was Beyer unable to continue? Maybe, maybe not. But surely NOT according to the Ref and to the Doc at first. If the Beyer corner thinks he can¡¦t continue: so be it¡K.an automatic TKO loss am I right? Does this rule say that you have to deduct two points, if the fight can continue, when the CUT is CAUSED by the intentional head butt? YES!! That means the Ref DID rule it an intentional head butt with a cut involved AND it means he decided that the fight could go on. If the fight is NOT stopped IMMEDIATELY after the intentional head butt, because the Ref ruled that the fighter could continue, and we stop it later: We have to go to the scorecards!! You can¡¦t rule that the fight can continue at first, STOP it after that and still go for a DQ?? Impossible am I right? So in this case we had to go to the scorecards.
Scoring of the fight: Scoring is a matter of opinion, we all know that. Although I personally can't understand how somebody could give Beyer round 4, I will leave it like that. I have more of a problem with the so-called point deductions in the 2nd and early 5th rounds. I personally didn't see the Ref signal that he deducted points, but I might be the blind one you mention. If he DID, he was NOT entitled to do so since they were UNintentional head butts. Also according to you. I hope I don't have to teach active referee's how to READ. Just READ point b of WC-32 :Unintentional head butt. When a boxer is CUT due to an unintentional head butt, as per the discretion of the referee, the uncut boxer will receive a one-(1) point deduction. This rule does not apply in the USA."
Now, this rule only applies if a boxer is CUT after an unintentional head butt. Did the Ref rule both times that there was a CUT DUE TO an unintentional head butt? Did we see TWO cuts? Or did we even see ONE cut occur after a head butt in round 2 or early in round 5? (I'm not even talking about the intentional head butt)
Now you see how hard it is to read rules. Maybe the Ref did know them better than we think? On top of that I think that the WBC rules are written in a much too simple way. Or at least the rules available to the public and the fighter + his team. LOL Who knows what kind of paper they held in front of the Ref¡¦s face yesterday. If it was the same paper as you find on the WBC website, he conned all of us for sure. I have serious doubts he could even READ under that kind of pressure. Imagine you have a lunatic like Sauerland raising his fist at you. I would run for my life!!