Oh je jetzt kommt die von mir geforderte Boygroup. 2K hat damals so gar keinen Spaß gemacht und ich weiß noch wie ich mit Dragic rumgedribbelt bin und es ging halt gar nichts.
Dann ist es Luke Zeller. (nachgeguckt)
Ich mag das Emoji nicht so, aber hier triffts zu
hast du selbst gemoddet oder jemand anderes?Ging mir auch so... und ehrlich, ich habs immer noch nicht kapiert was das soll, ist, bringt.@heser habe das online sammeln mitbekommen. Dachte erst es sei ein Witz. Würde ich nie machen. Will die Sachen fühlen die ich teuer kaufe.
Ach, du und dein Myles.
Ach, du und dein Myles.
Aber hast recht, noch ist Ayton außerhalb der Top10. Aber nicht weit weg und damit schon (bald) ein Kandidat für die beiden Defense-Teams.
Zumindest All-Defense-Team halte ich für möglich, dann muss natürlich auch der Teamerfolg passen.
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Warum denn gleich wieder das oberste Regal?
An Embiid’s Impact kommt Ayton niemals ran. Die Messlatte ist echt zu hoch und Regular-Season-Gobert ist ebenfalls zu krass. Ayton ist eher der potenzielle Spezialist für die Playoffs, wo er ggf. die Lücke zu den elitären Verteidigern ein bisschen schließen oder sogar vorbeiziehen kann. Der Beweis steht noch aus.
Spieler wie Timelord dürfen dagegen erstmal eine große Rolle bei einem Winning Team spielen. Entschuldigt bitte, nach Jahren der Unterdrückung wo wir ständig dieser madigen Argumentation ausgeliefert waren, musste der raus.
Sehr gute Zusammenfassung.Exzellenter Vergleich. Abseits von D-Team-Diskussion ist dies ja das wirklich wichtige. Allerdings selbe Vorraussetzungen: Bam oder Ayton? Da wirds schon viel schwieriger
Wen es übrigens interessiert. Athletic listet aktuell die besten Prospects der NBA auf. Heute wurden Bridges auf 15, Ayton 12 gesetzt. Ich finde die Texte dazu sehr gut, passen zur Diskussion. Darf man Teile daraus kopieren? Egal, ist ja nur ein sehr kleiner Teil, ggf löschen.
Bridges
Just egregiously bad on my part not ranking Bridges last year. There’s zero excuse for it. He was a great perimeter defender who had ironed out the kinks in his shot by the mid-point of last season. And despite my understanding of how important the wing position is in today’s NBA from a lineup versatility perspective, I just didn’t put him on the list and ranked him No. 51. He rises higher than anyone else here largely because of my own stupidity. But he also spikes up the list because there are few young players who figure to impact winning basketball games at this high of a level. Already, Bridges is an enormous part of a really good Suns team led by Devin Booker and Chris Paul. And I couldn’t be more excited to see how his future turns out given the infrastructure already around him.
There might not be a higher-upside young perimeter defender in the NBA right now. I don’t think he’s quite as valuable as OG Anunoby (whom we’ll talk about in a moment) defensively because I trust Anunoby to take on a wider variety of tough defensive assignments in the moments that matter most due to his strength and length. Anunoby can guard up the lineup in a way Bridges can’t. But Bridges is inarguably more disruptive and better at taking on difficult guards and perimeter-based wings. His short-area quickness mixed with his length and his hand activity makes him exceptionally hard to deal with. But even more than the physical tools, it’s clear he puts in the work ahead of time to figure out his opposing matchups’ tendencies. The way he beats opponents to their spots and gets his hands to the ball is unlike anything else in the NBA. As a pure one-on-one defender, Bridges is terrific. We’re talking All-Defense team as soon as this season potentially. He should undeniably get votes.
Offensively, Bridges largely stays in his lane. As mentioned within the Cam Johnson write-up, a lot of the Suns’ sets involve them putting Johnson and Bridges in opposite corners to space the floor for potential cross-corner kick-outs, and then having them roll up to the wing as drives get deep into the paint to try to present themselves for open shots. Bridges is terrific at knocking down shots off the catch, having hit such shots at 62.6 effective field goal percentage. He’s also a really smart cutter backdoor who finds ways to get behind the defense for easy finishes. Basically, Bridges is the new-age Danny Green, only he has a real chance to better because his ball skills are better. He can attack the basket off close-outs with ease. He’s a good passer not just on ball reversals but also on drive and kicks. Occasionally, the Suns will run a little ball screen for him, and he has shown some ability to attack in those settings, giving the feeling that there is some real upside for him at some point as a secondary play creator.
Guys like Bridges are the kind of players who help you win championships. Players who don’t need the ball but can use it well when given the opportunity. Guys who play at an exceedingly high level when they don’t have the ball in their hands. Bridges is going to be a 16- to- 18-point-per-game scorer who is also an elite-level defender who makes All-Defense teams. You could absolutely sell me that someone like Barrett below him has a higher upside if his shot comes through. But Bridges is already a high-impact player because he’s one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA at 24 years old, plus adds almost 15 points per night. And his upside doesn’t necessarily look tapped out either. He’s the start of a little tier of two-way wings who have a real shot to be great players on great teams.Ayton
The numbers make it look like he’s taken a step back this season. He’s gone from averaging 18 points and 12 rebounds last year to 14 points and 13 rebounds this year. But that’s not an accurate portrayal of what’s happening in Phoenix. His offensive role is simply reduced due to the presence of Paul and Booker in the backcourt (plus more shots for the aforementioned Bridges). Ayton gets four fewer shots per game because he’s not a necessary part of the Suns’ offense at this point.
However, from the early portion of his rookie season to where he is now, Ayton has taken an enormous leap defensively. It’s at the point where he’s a legitimate above-average defender, and he (along with Paul and Bridges) are carrying the Suns to a top-10 defense. Within 6 feet of the rim, Ayton is allowing opponents to shoot just 50 percent. He defends fewer of those shots than the elite rim protectors in the NBA, but that’s only because he’s also pretty adept at going out and covering on the perimeter. Overall, Ayton contests more shots throughout the course of a game than all but four other players in the league, and he’s an effective deterrent on those shots. I would say Paul and Bridges drive the defensive play more than Ayton, but for a 22-year-old center to be part of a top-10 defense is an enormous feather in Ayton’s cap and continues along the trajectory he’s been on defensively.
So why does he not move further up this list? While I don’t think it’s necessarily a “bad” thing that Ayton doesn’t score a lot, his overall lack of aggressiveness is noticeable not only to the general public but also to his teammates. Guys such as Paul and Booker have been outspoken this season that they’re harder on Ayton than anyone else on the team because they know he can bring more offense than he does. All too often, Ayton is too comfortable sliding into the background noise of possessions. He doesn’t take advantage of real mismatches when they present themselves by burying smaller guys on the block. There are like five guys in the NBA who have the physical gifts he does in terms of strength and explosiveness, and he’s still averaging under three free throws per game because he refuses to impose his will on the proceedings.
He also doesn’t always roll hard enough to the rim and doesn’t always finish with the kind of authority you’d like to see from someone who is 7-foot tall, with a 7-5 wingspan and very real explosiveness vertically. If Ayton isn’t going to be the kind of post threat he has the potential to be, he could easily score four more points per game than he does currently just by rolling harder to the rim and presenting as a true lob threat. It’s insane that Ayton, playing with Chris Freaking Paul feeding him the ball, surrounded by shooters such as Booker, Bridges and Cam Johnson, only scores on about one possession per game out of ball screens. This also generally has adverse effects on the offense, because there’s less pressure on taggers to collapse onto him as a roller in order to try to slow him down. Rolling harder and without hesitancy wouldn’t just create easier shots for him, but it would create easier shots for his teammates. This possession just kind of shows everything that’s frustrating all at once with Ayton.
This possession actually had three opportunities for Ayton to roll hard to the rim. On the first one, he popped out to the perimeter, a reasonable choice, but he’s a non-shooter so he doesn’t get much respect. He dribbles into a handoff with Paul and stops midway through a half-hearted roll to go up to re-screen. On the third screen (which is what you see above), he finally rolls, but he hesitates before doing so and doesn’t really push all the way to the rim in a forceful manner. The Suns get a good shot because Paul hits a good cross-corner pass, but the lack of hard roll allows Pritchard to X-out into the corner reasonably, then Walker to at least close out quickly enough on the top of the key to deny the 3 (even if it ended up being a fly-by, the 3-point denial into a 2-point shot is a crucial part of NBA defense now). Still, Ayton is so big and strong that he can wrestle for position against Daniel Theis with ease to get the offensive rebound. But instead of going up with power, he tries a half-hearted lay-in. Those need to be dunks, and because it wasn’t, he missed, and the possession ends without a bucket.
I don’t think Ayton has the upside of some shot-creating center like Joel Embiid or Jokic because he doesn’t have the handle to create shots. But he could get 20 points per night just rolling hard, occasionally popping out to the midrange and taking advantage of mismatches in the post even in the modern, perimeter-based NBA. And if he’s a 20-point-per-game center who also continues on his trajectory defensively, that’s a clear All-Star-caliber player. But Ayton has to show he wants it first. Play angrier, Deandre!
Im Grunde ist das ja alles genau das über was wir seit Monaten reden. Nach gerade einmal 31 Spielen möchte ich nicht sagen der Record oder das Netrating sind "real". Aber was ich weiß ist: Ayton kann noch viel besser werden und Booker hat die ersten 20 Spiele verschlafen. Kann jeder selbst seine Schlüsse daraus ziehen.
Aktuell führen wir knapp mit 40-36.
Ein Schmankerl war’s natürlich nicht. Jedoch stelle ich eine Weiterentwicklung fest. Die Suns trafen nur 6 von 22 Dreier und mein Augenmerk liegt auf den 22. Mittlerweile ist es nicht mehr so eindimensional und das Team findet Lösungen, um ein Spiel auf die eigene Seite zu ziehen. Solche Sachen schätze ich sehr.
Dominatyon...oder so ähnlich. Ahhhhhhh
Das stimmt. Dazu muss auch erwähnt werden, dass sie ins Schlussviertel mit 4-19 Dreier gingen (wenn ich recht erinnere), also nur 2-3 im letzten Q. Coach Monty kann also doch ein bisschen ingame-adjustments.Ein Schmankerl war’s natürlich nicht. Jedoch stelle ich eine Weiterentwicklung fest. Die Suns trafen nur 6 von 22 Dreier und mein Augenmerk liegt auf den 22. Mittlerweile ist es nicht mehr so eindimensional und das Team findet Lösungen, um ein Spiel auf die eigene Seite zu ziehen. Solche Sachen schätze ich sehr.
